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  1. Yup, what jubal said, lol! Out of the grass, cleaned up, front shot, heel shot, solar shot, side shot and definitely a shot from the back. His hoof looks like its got a decent trim on there, from what I can tell and it also looks like it healed beautifully.
  2. I too am having problems at the moment. Walter just came up lame in both fronts and is standing like a laminitic., but moreso, he is lifting his heels off the ground to relieve tension. I have determined so far, that it is his ddfts that have been strained. It's very icy here and even though I have taken measures to avoid it, Murphy's Law rules anyway. A couple of winters ago, it was his sacroilliac that he threw out. That was a long term recovery/treatment of 7 months. I'm braced for the long term in recovery also, with tendons involved. (sigh) I also find it very discouraging to think of a vet being incorrect. The vet is my savior. I want him to be my savior. I've had my vet for 35 years, he is my friend/mentor. But in the sacro-illiac case, his advise caused a 3 month delay in diagnosis. His visit amounted to giving me heck for his heels being too short and a brewing abscess, which they were not and no abscess happened. Poor Wally went with his RH in the air 24/7 for two months while he investigated and was stuck on the abscess idea. I left him and called in a chiro and the healing began. Another time, it was his eye. 2 prescriptions later for eye drops, I left him and went to a homeopathic people doctor and his medication starting healing the second I applied it. Thank goodness eyes are universal! Jubal, if there is any chance of founder from anything, I wouldn't even go there. Depends, if your horse is sensitive, it could be traumatic. If there ever was a time to say a flat no to the vet for something, this would be it for me, no hesitation. It has largely been replaced by the ACTH + glucose + leptin test, that will give you the numbers you need without challenging anything. Right now its just a suspicion, so just hang on for awhile and stay observant, see how the coat sheds in spring. In the meantime, I would do the same things people with Cushings/IR horses do for treatment. I don't want to go there, so I treat mine like they already are. Balance the diet and tighten it down in terms of Iron, sugar and starch. ((notice that I said iron first?) Stay on top of the trim and keep an eye on the hoof and move. Mine are not allowed to just have their hunger, they must earn it, whether it be through exercise or having to walk all over the place to find the hay that I spread far and wide. Their apple-a-day gets thrown a 100' and they are made to go fetch them...anything to make them move and earn. Another thought is that too high protein will overwork the kidneys also.
  3. Oh, I'm around. Funny how life will catch you up and carry you away. I keep checking in. I look at it, like we are all smarter these days and that's a good thing. I also wish to thank you all for the appreciation, it's the best Christmas present ever! Really it is! There are certainly many peers around and I'm glad that I was able to help with what I can. I've been dissed so many times in my travels, but I don't care. I'm here for the horse. Here, still, I am home. Actually, it seems that a lot of the forums are lean these days, that everyone has turned to Facebook, or something. That they may have found more agreeable niches in a smaller gathering. I believe Equisearch has pulled their forum altogether. The Chronicle is lively and well informed, but they do things differently and think differently, so I've decided to leave them alone, but I do go there to read and sometimes get frustrated. So, since we've created a kind of drop-in here, tell me, what's up with life these days? How are the hooves doing? I've been busy lately, as Grandchildren are being born right, left and center and I find myself struggling to keep up with the "new occasions" that have doubled and am learning to become a responsible Grandparent as well. As for my hooves, lol! We're battling very icy conditions coating the whole hill that is my barn and barnyard. It is too large an area to deal with, so I must avoid it. As long as I've got an escape route, I'm good. Keeping their space enlarged and continuing to move, is the challenge. We've been going for walks (1 mile) down the driveway to stay loose and I've been wishing they made YaxTrax for horses, cause they certainly are a blessing to me. I'm tempted to take mine off and put them on a hoof as an experiment. They're completely stretchy, lol! The hay is grass hay, but is tending to loosen them up somewhat, so I doubled the yeast and things are better. Other than that, we're lazing in the sun and thinking about Missyclare. I have her pic on my start-up page and I don't think I'll ever take her off, no matter how many Grandchildren are born. I'll save the walls for that, lol! Let's see, who else was around then....Ared Horse and Lyra, Cowgirl Up and Tubby, Versace, who was a long story, Flying Stars and Gunner, who I imagine is not so little anymore, J Mock, Lassie Lu, One Grey Horse and Moose, Ricky Sweet Smoke, Smiley, who is still around and very helpful, Rosie, This Is It, and ofcourse, special mention to Hero and Godsgirl, who we tried valiantly to save a horse with cancer and we both went thru a special kind of he**. Life goes on....just trying to make things the best they can be while we're around....
  4. Austrailia has just banned the use of whips in training and racing with harness horses. Norway had banned it earlier, but theirs came down from the government, triggered by welfare legislation. In Australia the order came down from the national racing authority itself. No more, will tired horses be whipped in the name of sport.
  5. Pictures would be great. A shoe won't prevent an abscess and it depends on where that abscess is, that will tell why and how it formed....like overgrown bars, frog out of work, thrush, diet imbalance, trim imbalance, too much alfalfa, IR or Cushings, too much or too little selenium, too much sugar, starch and iron. Some things on the hoof can be weak and let the ground hurt it. Some things can be prominent and meet the ground head on for a double whammy. Somethings are internal and metabolic and they are all related. You need good balanced nutrition to grow a strong hoof. You need to fight thrush because nothing can develop and strengthen when thrush is eating the hoof away at the same time. You need a good balanced trim and maintain it. You need to move to work that trim and develop strength. 4" deep gravel, either pea gravel or crushed limestone...around the water trough, in gateways, run-in, preferred pathways, etc. The thrush will be better managed, the self trimming will be better managed and the development fantastic. When a hoof does its homework on rocks, it becomes rock crushing which means it crushes rocks instead of the other way around. The shoes would have to come off in order to achieve this, but if you did, then you could hang the shoe up above the barn door and smile at it when you pass. Shoes and imbalance and contracted heels, and elongated breakover = thin soles, which is an abscess waiting to happen. Quarters jamming up, is a hoof that is already jammed up by his descending weight, never mind the ground. It's biotin that takes months to show up in new stronger growth coming down from the coronary band. It's copper and zinc without iron, that strengthens the hoof AT the ground. You'll see the effects of copper are a lot faster than biotin. Copper strengthens the wall, the water line and the cross connections that give the hoof its flexible strength and that's what you want on those rocks. Between the copper and the gravel, thrush doesn't have a chance. Copper will also give him his original coat color, never to fade in the sun again. Minerals like California Trace, fed, to make sure they get them. The blocks are mere bonus and will never meet their needs alone. Yes, I do suspect the rocks, but also hooves that can't handle them and yes, they can. I would keep them off the hill until their feet are stronger and abscesses resolved. It doesn't sound like they are missing much out there and if the grass is sparce, then what else is growing? I'd be going for a walk out there. Seed heads are like sugar pills, weeds are higher in sugar, stressed grass is higher in sugar, so are any areas of lush growth. I'd start with the gravel, though and if the sore foot had to be booted for a bit, so be it, let the other three feet get started in the meantime. It is a journey, and best for you to decide when to take it, but you'll never look back. Oh, and as for road work, if you can, head for the middle, where the crown is free of rocks. Asphalt is magic also. At this point, the gravel shoulder would just be more insult. A hoof has to develop its toughness in degrees and stones are graduation. It's then, that you have a rock crushing hoof. Hope this helps....
  6. How infection spreads in the bloodstream. It's like white water rafting, only the ride is too wild and the bacteria have specific places to go and can't afford to be simply washed away, so they creep down the side walls, bonding to cells for hold, breaking them and then rebonding again. Like going hand over hand down a ladder. I am reminded of two things. One is because I'm a Trekkie and imagined the Zindi crawling forward on the ceiling and walls of Enterprise, lol! and that this is the same way that a part of hoof growth slides down from the coronary band. What a mimic this bacteria is! Designed just for you.
  7. A horse with complex problems and sensitivity because of those problems, I think the boot would definitely help, but its not a therapeutic boot at all. Pads are needed in the boots. This boot is simple protection and not promoting a better foot.
  8. Austrian. A high degree of technology behind it. There's nothing that says how the velcro-type pad is attached to the hoof wall. I'm thinking glue and have no doubts of its hold...a good thing, but possibly a bad thing too. I definitely see the area that the pad touches as hoof wall immediately blocked from breathing and replaced with something toxic. I wonder if when the hoof is not balanced or transitioned, that the torque would transfer to those clips, effectively pulling down on the velcro, the pad and the hoof wall. Would it encourage a quarter to fill in and jam up? (it is in the pic and while we're at it, what's with the prominent toe quarter shape? Correct thinking but old school farrier) Would it enhance bad growth from the "jam and splat" mechanism of a medial/lateral imbalance? Yes, it would be hard to stay on top of the trim, especially taking flare off the top. I see the cover getting ripped off out in the field and lost and spending an hour trying to clean out the velcro with a pin anyway, lol. If this doesn't happen, then I imagine the hoof taking the brunt instead. It feels like I've turned the horse out into the field and forgot to take his halter off. I think this would work best on a transitioned/balanced hoof, which I have, but then they are also rock crushing hooves, so I don't need boots. It will be entering Kick Starter soon, so hopefully will be more information, trials and opinions in the future.
  9. Opinions? Definitely watch the video for full understanding. http://horserunners.com/
  10. Cracks don't heal. They have to grow out. The trick is to keep the torque off it, so that it can grow out, rather than tear upward in the opposite direction. Not getting the onus off that crack will keep the crack maintained or getting worse. Every step matters and you can either promote concavity and a better hoof, or promote pathological growth....the barefoot trim is for the horse, the trim under the shoe is for the shoe. Your horse needs a balanced barefoot trim if he's going to go bare anyway. You may have to call in a trimmer, if the farrier cannot do this. It is the crack at the ground that when the hoof rolls over it, puts tension on it all the way up. A bevel takes the crack right off the ground and keeps it quiet, while it grows out...as long as its maintained, or the torque is right back on again. A shoe also takes the crack off the ground, but then its also sitting on the shoe. Without pics, I can't tell what the situation is with his feet, or the work your farrier has done. I see this as a self trimming exercise by the horse, with a bit of Murphy's Law thrown in. If the wall is even with the sole, then its all good. That's exactly where it wants to be. It hasn't torn into soft tissue. He shouldn't be lame, if this is the case. If he's sensitive, I'd put boots on him and keep going. The goal is to get a good trim, then move to work that trim. If he's off of shoes, don't let it slow you down, get comfortable and move, fight thrush and make good use of this time without shoes. You may not need them again. He's older, so the transition will probably be slower and comfort should be more prominent on your sleeve. As for the diet, I'm going to have to research all these products to see what you are feeding in total. I suspect that his system may be fairly junked up. Sorry, but I'll take a look. At 19, the risk for developing Cushings runs higher, so diet should be low in iron, starch and sugar. What he requires in order to meet these iron/sugar/starch demands is a grass hay only diet. Sugar and starch added together to be a strict 10%. Treat him like he already is IR and you won't go there. You don't want to go there. What hay are you feeding? Is he a hard keeper, bad teeth, are you showing? What's his work schedule like? What are the ground conditions like? Cushings and IR related problems affect the white line in the feet. Cracks and broken off shoes are not necessarily related. If his weight is good, and he's not laminitic, then no need for the blood test, or even xrays, I'm thinking. If the crack was bad, the farrier would have done more than slap a shoe on it....I hope....need pics.
  11. I agree with Ozland. If the trim does not balance to the run of her bone, then there will be an argument going on between them. Depending on the type of flare, one of the things I check is lateral/medial balance. These are a few of the situations I have run into: If the flare is evenly around the hoof, then its probably balanced and managed by disengaging it from the ground.....and maintaining it. I have a horse that is long transitioned, but has never lost the nickname of "flarey boy". If there is medial/lateral imbalance going on, then the flare will be more on the outside, but make no mistake, the inside is flared as well, just differently. A higher inside will either force the horse over onto the outside or hurt and have him avoid it to land on the outside. (whatever the situation) The outside in is the brunt of it. The imbalance distorts the shape of the flare and the shape of the foot. Inside high, heel taller and pulled more forward of the frog than the other. Tall/straight, thin, but strong wall on the inside, cleft deeper on the inside frog, and frog also looking like a jet banking on a turn to the left, inside breakover moves to 11 o'clock, instead of 10, while frog rotates away from 12 o'clock, going in the opposite direction...the outside is a long swoosh of extended roundness, but will have concavity and better development because it's being used more, but make no mistake though, the outside bone wing is closer to the ground than the inside This is the argument. It's a set up that promotes a pidgeon-toed placement and once you recognize it, you'll realize that it's quite common. If you put a rock under your own inside foot and walk pidgeon-toed, then you'll get the idea of it. In more extreme cases I get the feeling that the hoof is curling around that high/jamming inside wall...a shape to avoid pain. Maybe it's a simply side-to-side imbalance. Here, in the extreme imbalance, the inside totally dominates so highly, that instead of the force flaring the outside wall, the force comes back to crush inward on the wall. (over tipped) This can happen on either side. Bottom line is that if the trim does not mimic the run of "her" bone, then there will an argument and the flare shape will show it. You can bevel till the cows come home. The balance must be right for her. Then she is free to laugh in the face of it, even if she always tends to be that way. Do get the hooves cleaned up and take pictures? They are worth a thousand words, be able to have new eyes at the barn and a better conversation with the farrier.
  12. An apple a day to keep the vet away and two carrots to supply the required Vit A naturally. Most of it goes in their dinner, but I always approach with something in my hands and they are there to meet me with manners. I'm tossing it up in the air and catching it as I approach, telling them yes, it is an apple, but it also moves, then throw it. I'll roll them down the hill and watch them play plinko or flip it over a stall wall as I pass by. Never from the hand. The reason comes from treating my horses like they already are IR, because I'm not going there, so they must earn what goes in their mouth, even the treats. Ofcourse, having chased down the apple, they come back to my hand. I then have trained them by cupping both hands over their mouth and holding for a sec and saying all gone, and they believe me. Getting everybody together to treat the same would be a huge undertaking. On the other side, you could just play the game at the time and keep them busy. Show him what's in your pockets and turn them inside out. Go with it. Just keep saying, "its not my horse", lol!
  13. I've seen that slow feeders work better than "on the ground" for controlling dust. I've also used a plastic garden plant waterer to sprinkle on the hay nicely and will do a couple passes on the stall, if needed. Dusty arena? I would try this first, before looking to boost the immune system. Vitamins A and E are involved and on a hay only diet, the horse should get 10,000IU's and 1000IU's of each respectively. Otherwise, the horse manufactures his own vitamins and they are not needed for maintenance situations. Vitamin C is used only for sickness and has a short course, like Bute, because if you innundate a nutrient that is already manufactured by the horse, this ability will be lost to the horse over time. Trace minerals also create a healthy resilience as well. Copper and Zinc are star players for feet and for never-to-bleach again true coat color. Flax is another one that fights inflammation body wide and I've seen it clear up a horse's eyes. But since this is just a runny nose, I'd go after the dust in his environment and have faith. Hope this helps...
  14. Sorry, I haven't been totally honest. Neither product works for me hands down. Its adding iron, sugar and starch, which are all bad for Cushings, especially at an elderly age. There's enough iron in the hay already. There is even iron on the hay already from the machinery that produced it. It is 10X more bioavailable to the horse in water. It's everywhere! When storage capacity for iron has been reached, it goes running through the blood like rust, attaches to cells and hangs around for a week until the cell dies and is thrown out. It plugs up the intake valves and forces copper and zinc to pass on making them deficient in the face of it. Good hay at 400pm daily intake and these products are going to boost it to 600ppm. If the hay test comes in at 600ppm, then you're bumping it up to 800ppm. Means you have to add more zinc and copper to fight high iron, just from feeding this product. Then there's the added sugar and starch. No vitamin A, no vitamin C, no vitamin E in these products at all. Very important on a hay only diet. Incomplete, imbalanced and taxing to an elderly horse. If you do have a Cushingoid horse and if symptoms were showing, the first thing I'd do is get a hay test and balance properly. I would also leave the neighbourhood store and go online to Uckele and see what they've got. Dr. Kellon is at the helm there and she's on the leading edge of research on this problem. Reading their labels is like a breath of fresh air, cause with her help....they "get it".
  15. Let's have a look at the labels, shall we? Both of them have the same protein and lysine. Safe Choice has higher methionine and threonine, which is good. Good for feet too. Crude fat is at 10% in one and 8% in the Safe Choice. Here is where I really start to lean towards Safe Choice, because 8% is lower than 10%, I wish it was at 5%. Fat is just fat, no nutritional value whatsoever, not required by the horse and if not being earned promotes fatty pads (a storage of cytokines that love to react and inflame) What you don't see, is the fat accumulating around the organs. Safe Choice has a reversed Omega balance that is inflammatory. Major minerals: calcium is higher in the Triple Crown and its balance with phosphorus is high and low on the magnesium. Therefore, it does not follow the strict protocol of cal/phos at 1.5:1 to offset bone problems. Just as important to a senior horse as it is a growing one. Kinda like life coming full circle. Magnesium has over 300 jobs to do in the body and one of them is the firing of cells, and that's a horse's nervousness level. It should be cal/mag: 2:1, not almost 4:1 in the TC. That makes magnesium deficient in the face of high calcium. I would think about magnesium supplement with this feed. With the Safe Choice, the calcium is a bit lower, but the balance is right on with phosphorus at 1.46:1........... and there is no magnesium in the Safe Choice at all. Been forgotten, which I often see. So, definitely supplementing magnesium with this feed. As for the trace minerals, the TC balance is good between iron/copper/zinc/manganese. I can see that balance because the iron is listed. Not so on the SafeChoice, which means they are hiding it and it will take a phone call to eek it out of them. At any rate, I like the higher numbers on the copper and zinc in the TC and hoping that the hay will further these numbers to finish the job of needs met on these two. (needs must be met first, before balancing) Selenium is low, but the rest is probably in the hay. Won't know without a hay test, but too high is also bad, so keep an eye out for any added Se in other products fed. And now we get down to the gist of it, the sugar and starch. Everyone thinks sugar is bad, but 50% of it goes to glucose, starch on the other hand, is 100%. Sugar plus starch should not go over 10% in the horse's total daily diet. This is tight rule for IR/Cushings and since we don't want to go there, I think its a good rule for everyone to obey, whether sensitive or not. The NSC in the TC is really close at 11.7%. Another target by this feed hit dead on. The starch and sugar in the Safe Choice comes to 20% Whoa! And 16% of that is starch! An elderly horse is at a much higher risk for Cushings and this stuff is going to feed it to him for sure, I'm thinking. The TC Senior wins hands down. The high NSC in the Safe Choice clinches it. The TC Senior hit two targets dead on, didn't forget the magnesium and had the guts to show the iron, lol! Hope this helps.....