saltwater redneck

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    Horses,surfing,freediving<br />I have been trimming for a couple years, mostly following Ramey fundamentals, Worked with Todd Jaynes of Equine Science Academy and Dave Richards of Equicast as well as many other clinics and workshops, My wife and I completed NRC Plus course with Dr. Eleanor Kellon.
  1. Well, the bed liner material that I used was either too old or I didn't mix it right. It never set up properly. The outside got tough but under that was still gooey and by the next morning it was just about gone. I went ahead and rode the ride in the casts and they did okay. The toe area was worn away but the sole was still providing okay protection. He did have a few ouchy steps though, I was hating myself for it. The overall idea was good so I will try it again but I may get someone to actually professionally paint the bed liner stuff on for me. I may also play with using equifast on the bottom of the cast some more, I have already had some luck with that. Lee
  2. I wrote a long post but when I looked at it I realized I was just venting, So I deleted it. Please Get the farrier out ASAP. 10 weeks is way too long there is damage being done. Post some pics. Then everyone will know what you are working with and can give much better advice. Lee
  3. So I have been trying to figure out how to make a cast last through a couple days of rocky terrain. The problem is trying to find something to add to the bottom of the cast that will help with wear resistance but will not add too much height, mess up breakover or get clunky. All the stuff I came up with took way too long to dry or was way too expensive. I did however think about using bed liner material, it however fell into the category of taking too long to dry. It was worth a second thought because that stuff is really tough! I then started thinking how could I get the cast off, paint the stuff on it, then put the cast back on. Here is my solution. I first wrapped the hoof in shrink wrap like you use to wrap up boxes and stuff. Then I applied a cast over it with no glue. I waited for a couple minutes and tried to remove the cast. I thought for a few moments that the only way it was going to come off was by cutting it but I figured out the method. The cast came off just perfect. I took the shrinkwrap off and tried to slide the cast back on. It almost SNAPPED on! With a little effort it came right back off. I took some 2-part bed liner material, mixed it up and painted the bottom of the cast. I even made a simulated frog area. Left it to dry overnight. Got home from work today and applied a little "Adhere" to the cast walls and slipped them back on. I am heading out of town for a ride this weekend that has alot of rock roads. I'll tell you how they held up when I get back. I cleaned them up with my rasp I should have taken a pic before he put his foot down, but you get the idea of how it looks. I can see other uses for this idea. If you wanted to NOT load a certain area you could use clay to cover the area first. The clay could be removed and the cast glued on, giving you support everywhere but that area. Lee
  4. I am not so sure I think there is less protective sole now, You have remember there is a difference between the sole on a shod horse and one that is bare. A shod will retail dead flacky sole around the perimeter under the shoe because the shoe keeps it from being worn away. On a bare foot horse the sole thickness is going to be what is left AFTER constant stimulation. So in my mind the thickness could be a little less but the quality of the sole may be better. Was the horse trimmed/shod right before the xrays were taken? Or had the horse been shod for a while before the xrays? Just my thoughts Lee
  5. Yep, pull those shoes and see what you got. It is much easier to deal with abcesses without the shoes, easier to see the whole sole to clean and soak. It would also be a great time to take some pics to post. Lee
  6. I'm with Missy, they are doing a real good job by themselves. When was the last time a rasp was put on those feet? If those bars are staying like that on their own I am not even sure I touch them. I am so envious. Lee
  7. Here are my thoughts, When a horse is left jacked up on their toes for too long the tip of P3 takes a horrible beating. This could be from heels that are too tall or from toe walking because of heel pain. The constant excess pressure on such a small area damages the sole corium around the tip and the horse looses some of the ability to keep a healthy sole in that area. I am not talking about bone remodeling or loss. Just damage to the corium. How well it can be overcome would probably hinge upon how much damage was done. The sole may not even show the divot all the time, I would think that it could come and go. I would think it would be influenced by hoof growth, wear, dryness or wetness etc. That brings me to another thought, I don't remember seeing any studies that looked whether or not the corium could repair itself over time. You guys read anything? Lee
  8. It was under the tip of P3 just behind the toe callus. I only got the chance to see it briefly. The trim seemed okay- nothing seemed out of wack. Spoke to another trimmer friend of mine and he had seen it once also on another horse. He couldn't figure out why it happened but told me that it filled in with sole over a 2-3 months. It honestly looked like a dime sized area just came out. Lee
  9. I did not get pictures but I will try to describe it. I saw a horse that had a small area "about the size of a dime" of sole that looked like it was missing. It did not seem to be cut away or worn away. It was maybe a 1/8" deep and oval shaped under the tip of P3. I thought abcess but both fronts had it so maybe it was something else. The horse was upright abit and looked to have weak frogs. What are ya'll thinking? Lee
  10. The epics and bares are the same boot but with different tread patterns and different hardware. I have taken my bares apart and they seem to be exactly the same. I am pretty sure the hardware will go from one to another with no problem. Lee
  11. When you get the pics everyone will be able help you much better. If you are still interested in casts maybe I could get a short video of me wrapping a foot. That would give you an idea of how easy/hard they are to do. Just let me know. Lee
  12. Really cool, It is so awesome all the new ideas coming out. I can only imagine the tools we will have in another 5 years. Lee
  13. I really like using casts for certain reasons. They are excellent for growning out REALLY bad cracks, giving comfort for an abcess, promoting heel first landing in horses that are sensitive, helping a thin soled horse grow sole. They have their limitations in that they will wear out very fast on abrasive footing. I am experimenting with some ideas to help this but nothing for sure yet. They also limit the expansion of the hoof. The cast will flex so the heels can still move independently but outward expansion will be less than if barefoot. So I usually don't go over 6 weeks in casts. "One set every 3 weeks" With using adhesives the cast will stay on for up to 5-6 weeks. Longer then I leave them on anyway. They are not water tight so you can soak the foot while the cast is on. I always recommend soaking while in casts. I think the reason they grow so much sole while in the cast is from the support in conjunction with the mildly abrasive quality of the cast. The cast will form to the shape of the bottom of the foot. So the foot will have even pressure on the sole, bars and frog. Not to much on one area but an even support. The cast dries hard and rough, I think it is the sole getting this support/protection while being mildly agitated by the cast that results in sole growth. The trim inside the cast is still very important, getting breakover back is very important because the cast will push breakover out about 1/8". I normally bring walls down to sole plane and bevel to bring breakover as far back as I can. I am thinking while reading your post that the trim your horses are getting may not be optimal. Or maybe most of your descriptions were from years past and the feet are better now. I could try to find out if there is anyone near you that is trained in using the casts. They are not that hard to do but to hard to teach over a chat board. I would love to see pics of the feet. Lee
  14. Good stuff Rosie!
  15. The Bare's actually weigh less than a traditional steel shoe. I will agree with Trinity in that they are not always suited for high atheletic activities. The glue on's would be much better. I am not sure you are looking at this right though. Here would be my timeline. 1 maybe 2 months of casts, the cast will provide lots of stimulation to the sole/frog while making the horse comfy. You could ride in the arena all you want but would need to stay off the rocky stuff, that will wear the casts out really quick. The cast can be done in a way to provide traction, you may be surprized how well you could run patterns in them. There may be a way to make the cast more durable for trail riding but I am still in the experimenting phase there so I don't know for sure. After that the horse should be able to go bare in the arena and run barrells ect. For the trails you would have boots, you may/maynot need them - use as needed. You could use the boots to get from trailer to the arena and other places that you felt were too rough for your horse bare while out competing. I agree that the plastic and rubber shoes are a great idea but this horse needs to use all of the bottom of the foot. The plastic/rubber shoes will still overprotect the outer rim and will lift the frog so that it has less contact. You would have to use a pad, that would provide support but I think it would be overprotecting not stimulating. I think after the rehab it may be an option but I would still pull them from time to time to go bare for short intervals. There are decisions you need to make about what you are willing to do to help these hooves. It will take some trial and error and you may not be able to compete for a while. I think the horse will be able to go barefoot for the arena pretty quick but nothing is certain right now. I can help you find a knowledgable trimmer that can use the casts. Maybe we could even help find a good trimmer. What is the living arrangements for the horse? 24/7 out? Stalled? What is the pasture like that she lives in? sandy, rocky, muddy? These are important things that affect how the rehab would work. Lee