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  1. Neither one. I have an insulin resistant horse that is so difficult to control, he is on prescription herbs. I have another horse that is a complete nut case on any sort of grain and soy. Soy is not only his worst nemesis, it also isn't something Metabolic and/or PPID diagnosed horses shouldn't have either. 99% of feeds, ration balancers and condensed vitamins use soy as their protein source. McCauley's M-10 Balancer is pretty good, IF you can find it. https://www.mccauleybros.com/supplements/products/m10 I got tired of having to special order it from a feed store 40 miles away. When someone on another forum pointed me toward Horse Tech, I read their label and switched. I have my horses on Horse Tech's High Point grass formula. It is a condensed vit/min supplement with no grains, no soy and no added iron! Whoo Hoo! Their calculated NSC % is "less than 4.25%". For some reason, I cannot copy/paste their website so, I hope I type it correctly: http://www.horsetech.com/high-point-grass.html. This supplement is for horses on grass hay and pasture. They also have a supplement for horses on alfalfa. My horses have been on this product for 10 months and I have no complaints. Their coats glisten, eyes are bright, clean and alert, and their hoof health is terrific. The IR horse deals with founder but his hoof wall is thick and strong, considering his front hooves have been to Hades and back. Both stay barefoot and are trimmed every four weeks. The product is pricey but I only feed 3 ounces daily per horse, divided into two feedings. This is one of those things that you get what you pay for. I buy the powder form and mix it with two 8 ounce measuring cups of timothy pellets and just enough water to keep the High Point and other needed supplements from blowing out of the feed pan. If there is another vit/min supplement safe for metabolic and PPID horses that is soy-free, no iron added and has a very low NSC value, I hope someone will post a link to it. These are important things for horse owners with these issues to know about:)
  2. You could also mix some "no sugar added" apple juice into his feed.
  3. That's a tough diagnosis to handle. One of the things you might consider, to get his vitamins/minerals in him, would be to feed a condensed supplement that only requires a few ounces daily. You could cut the tip off a 60CC syringe (Tractor Supply sells them) add a 50-50 mix of water and no-sugar-added apple juice, shake it up, syringe it down him. My IR horse refuses to eat his prescription herbs in his feed pan, yet he will suck the stuff right down if I mix it in a syringe. The company I buy my condensed vit/min supplement from is Horse Tech. They will even custom mix for you. They do NOT add iron to their vit/min supplement and the starch is guaranteed at 4.25% which is another reason I like it for my IR horse and the other one who is an easy keeper. Anyway, they might be someone to consider for a condensed supplement, as the less he has to swallow the better. www.horsetech.com For some reason I can't copy/paste the link but got to the page for "High Point Grass/Mixed Hay. They also make a supplement for horses on alfalfa. I am big on things holistic and combining them with traditional science. There might be something in the holistic world to help alleviate his discomfort. In a round about way, I know the work and costs involved as I had two horses at once with metabolic issues, yet they had to have different supplements to control their insulin. I still have the most severe horse. Sending you hugs and good wishes
  4. That's the best idea:) Beyond that, it will come down to what works best on your horse:)
  5. It also comes in liquid form; I have the 64 oz bottle with a pump on it. Per my vet's instructions, I give each horse 15 ml daily. The ten 60ml tubes would last a long time. That would be enough to tell you if it helps. Also, don't feed her anything that further aggravates inflammation. Any grains, soy, BOSS is really bad because it is high in Omega-6 and low in omega-3. Flax is the better option if you were to look for a coat/hoof supplement:)
  6. Correct that you can buy .Conquer on-line. I buy from my vet because he cuts me a big price break and his clinic is only five miles from the feed store. It's easy for me to run up there:)
  7. No, the conquer is not injectable. Nothing is ever as good as something injectable but Conquer has done some good on all three of my horses. I didn't think it was doing anything, until I ran out when I needed to buy hay. I realized they "limped a lot better" when they were on the Conquer:)
  8. Too much aspirin or bute will eventually lead to stomach ulcers. If absolutely necessary, Previcox is much easier on the tummy, although more expensive. That said, I use pure hyaluronic acid on two of my horses. One is 29 with a vertebra injury that he had when I rescued him 22 years ago. The other has a fractured sacrum and also deals with old tendon tears from a farrier cutting too much heel in one strike. I had also used hyaluronic acid on the horse in my avatar for his hock/ankle arthritis (he has since passed). It seems to generally do more than anything to help the horse. It is a joint lubricant --- if the joint stays lubricated the chances of inflammation in that joint are reduced, thereby possibly reducing the need for something like MSM, etc. I was using Lubrisyn-HA but my vet sells me "Kinetic Conquer" at quite a discount. "Conquer" is supposedly the strongest form of hyaluronic acid that can be bought without a prescription. I use 15ml daily on each horse. I can't paste the link to Kinetic Conquer for some reason. Google it and read up on it:) I pay my vet $140 for the 64 oz size. For my part, there are times when one only gets what we pay for and this is one of those times. You might also consider an equine chiropractor that does massage therapy. I have never had an equine chiro who didn't follow an adjustment with massage therapy. Not saying your horse needs adjusted but the massage therapy might do wonders and perhaps the therapist could give you some massage things to do, until you would feel your horse needs more help than you can give:) Good luck finding something that works for your horse:)
  9. I am also not one to easily call the vet. I do a lot of my own treatments but I never did give vaccinations as I feel the vet should be responsible, just in case there's a chance something might go wrong or be wrong with the vaccine. I will call for colic if I can't pull the horse out with Banamine. It depends where a big gash is located on the horse and how recent the tetatnus shot is, as to whether I care for the wound without calling the vet. I will call for founder because I want x-rays. I will call for anything having to do with tendons or muscles, if it's something I haven't dealt with in the past. I have handled eye issues myself but I would call the vet if I thought the horse were having vision issues. I call the equine chiropractor a whole lot more than I call the vet. It seems the more structurally sound they are, the less prone they are to some issues involving tendon and/or muscle strain. On-going diseases such as metabolic issues, EPM. PSSM can cause a horse owner to own stock in their veterinarian facility. I had two horses with metabolic issues, I recently lost one but the most expensive one to manage is still walking and talking and requires more frequent vet care than my other two. It pays every horse owner to learn basic medical care; if they Cry Wolf too frequently to their vet, pretty soon the vet is not in too big a hurry to see the horse. When I call my vet and say "I need help", they are generally here before the cell tower disengages my call.
  10. It wasn't that your horse saw the error of his ways:) It is not a horse's nature to intentionally run over humans. I have had handled a lot of horses in my life and only had three that came directly at me with full intent on running me over. I'm not sure what drove the mare to not change direction, unless it was pure absolute panic and she truly may not have realized I was in front of her but the two stallions had serious issues, one of them being a cryptorchid. However, the horse in question does need some discipline but it should only take one or two times, without beating or lunging him half to death, to get his manners back My best horse for playing at liberty games, is the worst horse for taking that proverbial mile when I only give him an inch He's been with me 18 years and while I rarely have to discipline him, these days, there was a point in time where nightly "don't you do that!" and maybe a pop with the riding crop was in order. Changing him to a grain and soy free diet also worked miracles on his behavior and willingness to listen.
  11. IMHO, anyone living in an area with access to this brand of feed, should read these links. How nice of them to use the phrase "as a measure of caution". http://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloodstock/company-issues-feed-recall-after-three-horses-die-in-south-florida/ Some sad pictures on this link but it needs to be read. http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/news/lab-equine-feed-from-alltech-subsidiary-contaminated-with-monensin.aspx
  12. As Katy B knows, I had to PTS my heart horse of 24 years on Sunday. We are all (including the other three horses) still reeling from that. Duke was 27 and, although he didn't look sick, he was. He was also the strong alpha leader and had been grooming one of the other horses for leadership since 2012. It's been heartbreaking watching that horse know he has to take over but wishing Duke was here because being the lead horse isn't as much fun as he thought it would be. I've been helping him, in that I force the other two horses to go with him to the main pasture. They are content to hang back at the barn and let Rusty go it alone in the main pasture. I shake the buggy whip behind them, point and say "go with Rusty" and they slowly join up with him. Once they all join up, they stick together. At night, they can't wait to get the day over with and get in the barn. My herd of four was very clannish as they had been together for many years. Duke had been with me 24 years. Streeter came on board 21-1/2 years ago. Rusty (now the lead horse) came along 18 years ago. Joker is the new kid, having arrived 8 years ago. I am 67 so these are my last horses but, I did decide when I get down to my last horse, I will ask one of the vets at the facility for a loan of one their pasture horses to keep my last guy company, until its end time. It will be with the understanding that I care for the horse like it were my own but they get it back once my horse passes on. Every day gets a little easier for everyone. I haven't groomed anyone since "before" so, that's on the agenda this morning and I need to rasp the hooves on the foundered horse before they get too much growth on them and start looking like pancakes in high heels. Tennessee Walker "Bonafide Genious", barn name Duke. 10-05-87 - 11-02-2014
  13. While I also use a 3" high rubber feed pan to soak any of my horses hooves, ^^^^that is a great great idea for the novice horse, be they young or old. It is something I would definitely do, if I had a horse that flat out refused to stand their hoof in my old feed pan I have also read of someone using a gallon zip lock bag put inside another gallon zip lock bag when she had to soak a hoof with White Lightening for white line (seedy toe). She duct tape the top of the bag to the horse's leg to keep the soaking material from splashing out. This horse would stand quiet for anything she did so, it didn't take much convincing for him to say "ooohhhhh-kaaaaayyyy, iffff you say so"
  14. I know how much work that is. I really hope the new neighbors don't decide to take a once-every-three-year-walk back there and see THEIR sap trees cut and laying on their property. If they're trouble makers to begin with, they will find a way to raise a stink over you cutting that stuff, unless you asked them in advance. I don't know how the laws are in Michigan but, in Tennessee upkeep the "common" fence row has always been the responsibility of both farmers. Somehow that morphed to being the responsibility of the person owning the livestock, if the other one sold out. Thankfully for us, the very worst old fence line, up on the ridge, has beef cattle on the other side and those folks are very diligent about fence care. They actually ran a whole new fence line two years ago --- it was a nasty nasty job, cutting thru all those bramble bushes, sapling trees, poison ivy, oak, and sumac. We will clear the big trees, that lightening hits, off the fence otherwise we don't touch the perimeter fencing in the "Back Forty" areas. Some of that fence is barbed wire, some of it is woven wire but my horses have been running on this 20+ acres for 11 years and the more brambles there are on those fences, the less inclined they are to grazing up against those fences. They won't even go into the little woods (on the ridge) or the small grove of trees in the middle of the pasture. That all said, keep the fences clean for as long as you can. Unless you will be able to find and afford to hire someone, all that work catches up to the shoulders, knees and back with enough years of doing it:(
  15. As a few have commented please rule out pain of any sort, including in the skeletal system, before disciplining him too harshly. I have two horses that haven't been able to back for years. One came to me with an injured vertebra, to point he "bucks up" even when he canters at liberty;He can back but it is very uncomfortable for him. The other has hock/ankle arthritis and now that he's older I have to even watch the direction I hand turn him around. Also, get on the horse bareback and try to back him. If he does back, pay attention to how supple he backs. He could have saddle fit issues plus, he could have some arthritis starting to where he will back without a saddle on him, but is stiff about it.