It isn't 'debating' here anyway. We have one who insists the rules of debate be adhered to, but refuses to follow them, considering self to be "above all that" and pitching a childish fit when called on it. Then the crap slinging starts (guilty also) and the whole mess takes a left turn. Most of the subjects are questionable at best, as are a lot of the sources quoted, when there actually are any. What it boils down to is, if I wanted to swim in shite, a visit to the local treatment plant would be more pleasant, and likely less crowded.