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Hello, is anyone out there familiar with Zippo Pine Bar or Zips Chocolate Chip bloodlines related to Stiffle problems or hoof problems as far as lameness?...I have heard that it runs in their blood lines but would like some more info

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Hello, is anyone out there familiar with Zippo Pine Bar or Zips Chocolate Chip bloodlines related to Stiffle problems or hoof problems as far as lameness?...I have heard that it runs in their blood lines but would like some more info

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Zippo Pine Bar lines are notorious for club feet.

I own a Grandson of Zippo Pine Bar and he is clubbed on both front feet. I have been told by numerous farriers that Zippo Pine Bar has sired a lot of stallions that carry the genetic defect or are club foot themselves.

[ 11-06-2006, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: Rhiatta1090 ]

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Zippo Pine Bar lines are notorious for club feet.

I own a Grandson of Zippo Pine Bar and he is clubbed on both front feet. I have been told by numerous farriers that Zippo Pine Bar has sired a lot of stallions that carry the genetic defect or are club foot themselves.

[ 11-06-2006, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: Rhiatta1090 ]

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I have a grandaughter out of Zippo Pine Bar that they are suspecting with Navicular & she is only 3 & 1/2 yrs. old, is your horse lame?..she has very dainty legs - I am getting a second opinion but once I found this out & have been on some chat rooms & it was THEN that I heard about some flaws in this bloodline...thanks for your input...

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I have a grandaughter out of Zippo Pine Bar that they are suspecting with Navicular & she is only 3 & 1/2 yrs. old, is your horse lame?..she has very dainty legs - I am getting a second opinion but once I found this out & have been on some chat rooms & it was THEN that I heard about some flaws in this bloodline...thanks for your input...

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Question, is Zippo Pine Bar's owner in Nebraska? I recall riding at my father's friend's farm, and I think that was the home of Zippo. I'll have to research. Dad should know. I was just a young teen then.

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Question, is Zippo Pine Bar's owner in Nebraska? I recall riding at my father's friend's farm, and I think that was the home of Zippo. I'll have to research. Dad should know. I was just a young teen then.

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Yep, it was Zippo's owner. The friend's name was Norman Reynolds of Lexington, Nebraska, and I rode some of their horses on a cattle drive :-) My father knows some bigtime names. I don't remember if I actually rode THE ZIPPO, probably not, but I do remember riding Norman's wife's western pleasure horse...was it Zippo?

Here's an section of an article I found on the web:

"But Zippo Pine Bar was purchased by a Nebraska rancher, Norman Reynolds, out of a sale when he was a weanling. Reynolds, according to a friend, was looking for a sire of using horses in his cow-calf and feedlot operations. But plans changed when Reynolds' daughter took Zippo Pine Bar into the barn and shined him up. She took him to some weanling classes, and according to AQHA records, he won four out of four. That prompted some consideration for the thousand dollar weanling, and after he did some growing up, he was put in training with Bill Keyser. The rest is history. Reynolds had been looking for a using horse sire, but what he got was a pure talent who was capable of winning a halter class, a Western riding class or a pleasure class. He did all of that many, many times.

Cold Spring Meeting

My own first meeting with the horse that was to build a whole new world of pleasure horses was only because the roads were nasty as I was driving back to California from Michigan after dropping off mares. There was black ice, and a friend in Nebraska put me up and took me around to see the local stars. Zippo Pine Bar was certainly every inch a star. He'd have been a star in Texas or California or anywhere on the continent. He was gorgeous, personable and a real "people" horse. Mr. Reynolds swore he still used him to move cattle. After all, he'd bought him to be a using horse.

Off to Texas

An editorial by Quarter Horse Journaleditor Leslie Groves explains that Norman Reynolds put Zippo Pine Bar up for sale in the middle of the era of Willie Nelson "Farm Aid" concerts and farmers driving tractors to Capital Hill looking for relief. According to Groves' article, Reynolds put Zippo Pine Bar on the market due to that slump in his primary business, which was agriculture.

Ann Perry tells of hearing that the great stallion could possibly be for sale. She and her husband Bob worked up their courage, called Reynolds and purchased Zippo Pine Bar over the phone, sight unseen. It proved to be a very rewarding call. The package that finally arrived at the Valley View ranch included a set of broodmares and the 16-year-old stallion. He was already renowned as a breeding horse and was the sire of a long list of winning pleasure horses.

eb that I found:

[ 11-06-2006, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: Sylves ]

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Yep, it was Zippo's owner. The friend's name was Norman Reynolds of Lexington, Nebraska, and I rode some of their horses on a cattle drive :-) My father knows some bigtime names. I don't remember if I actually rode THE ZIPPO, probably not, but I do remember riding Norman's wife's western pleasure horse...was it Zippo?

Here's an section of an article I found on the web:

"But Zippo Pine Bar was purchased by a Nebraska rancher, Norman Reynolds, out of a sale when he was a weanling. Reynolds, according to a friend, was looking for a sire of using horses in his cow-calf and feedlot operations. But plans changed when Reynolds' daughter took Zippo Pine Bar into the barn and shined him up. She took him to some weanling classes, and according to AQHA records, he won four out of four. That prompted some consideration for the thousand dollar weanling, and after he did some growing up, he was put in training with Bill Keyser. The rest is history. Reynolds had been looking for a using horse sire, but what he got was a pure talent who was capable of winning a halter class, a Western riding class or a pleasure class. He did all of that many, many times.

Cold Spring Meeting

My own first meeting with the horse that was to build a whole new world of pleasure horses was only because the roads were nasty as I was driving back to California from Michigan after dropping off mares. There was black ice, and a friend in Nebraska put me up and took me around to see the local stars. Zippo Pine Bar was certainly every inch a star. He'd have been a star in Texas or California or anywhere on the continent. He was gorgeous, personable and a real "people" horse. Mr. Reynolds swore he still used him to move cattle. After all, he'd bought him to be a using horse.

Off to Texas

An editorial by Quarter Horse Journaleditor Leslie Groves explains that Norman Reynolds put Zippo Pine Bar up for sale in the middle of the era of Willie Nelson "Farm Aid" concerts and farmers driving tractors to Capital Hill looking for relief. According to Groves' article, Reynolds put Zippo Pine Bar on the market due to that slump in his primary business, which was agriculture.

Ann Perry tells of hearing that the great stallion could possibly be for sale. She and her husband Bob worked up their courage, called Reynolds and purchased Zippo Pine Bar over the phone, sight unseen. It proved to be a very rewarding call. The package that finally arrived at the Valley View ranch included a set of broodmares and the 16-year-old stallion. He was already renowned as a breeding horse and was the sire of a long list of winning pleasure horses.

eb that I found:

[ 11-06-2006, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: Sylves ]

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Originally posted by jrquarter:

I have a grandaughter out of Zippo Pine Bar that they are suspecting with Navicular & she is only 3 & 1/2 yrs. old, is your horse lame?..she has very dainty legs - I am getting a second opinion but once I found this out & have been on some chat rooms & it was THEN that I heard about some flaws in this line...thanks for your input...

My gelding is also three years old. He was off about 5 months ago. We took x-rays and there was no arthritis or signs of navicular. There was 'slight shifting of the coffin bone' however it was not a rotation, and something that is fixable with corrective shoeing.

He has small hooves as well. And is at risk for ring bone, navicular, and arthritis etc.

However, my farrier is very confident with his future outlook.

I was on a farrier website, and a person had a double bred Zippo baby(with a club left front).

One of the farriers asked why anyone would buy a double bred zippo baby as they are notorious for being clubbed. I asked my farrier if the zippo line is known to have club foot horses, and he also said there seems to be navicular and club cases with that line.

Sylves- That is very neat that you got to ride at their ranch!

Before Zippo passed away from stroke I believe. The owners always had open doors for people around the world to come see Zippo. He definitely sounds like a sweet horse.

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Originally posted by jrquarter:

I have a grandaughter out of Zippo Pine Bar that they are suspecting with Navicular & she is only 3 & 1/2 yrs. old, is your horse lame?..she has very dainty legs - I am getting a second opinion but once I found this out & have been on some chat rooms & it was THEN that I heard about some flaws in this line...thanks for your input...

My gelding is also three years old. He was off about 5 months ago. We took x-rays and there was no arthritis or signs of navicular. There was 'slight shifting of the coffin bone' however it was not a rotation, and something that is fixable with corrective shoeing.

He has small hooves as well. And is at risk for ring bone, navicular, and arthritis etc.

However, my farrier is very confident with his future outlook.

I was on a farrier website, and a person had a double bred Zippo baby(with a club left front).

One of the farriers asked why anyone would buy a double bred zippo baby as they are notorious for being clubbed. I asked my farrier if the zippo line is known to have club foot horses, and he also said there seems to be navicular and club cases with that line.

Sylves- That is very neat that you got to ride at their ranch!

Before Zippo passed away from stroke I believe. The owners always had open doors for people around the world to come see Zippo. He definitely sounds like a sweet horse.

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I have a four year old gelding - Zippo Pine Bar - Zipps Choc Chip - Im a Zip leagure - so guess my boy would be Zipps Choc Chips grandson???

Anyway...my boy toes in on his right front foot.

I have had xrays and such and he is perfectly sound. BUT I have to be careful that the farrier trims him the right way, to work with the toe in..or he will be sore for a few days. As long as he is farried correctly he is perfect. I have been told that Zipps Choc Chips throws about 80% of his foals toed in, anyone else heard that? And is that the same thing as a club foot?

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I have a four year old gelding - Zippo Pine Bar - Zipps Choc Chip - Im a Zip leagure - so guess my boy would be Zipps Choc Chips grandson???

Anyway...my boy toes in on his right front foot.

I have had xrays and such and he is perfectly sound. BUT I have to be careful that the farrier trims him the right way, to work with the toe in..or he will be sore for a few days. As long as he is farried correctly he is perfect. I have been told that Zipps Choc Chips throws about 80% of his foals toed in, anyone else heard that? And is that the same thing as a club foot?

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I own a zip pat bar offspring. zip pat bar was the sire of zip pine bar, but i never heard any problems among the owners i've known with him. zip pat bar also sired the invester who is the great grandfather of my colt. He is still young but haven't noticed any problems.

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I own a zip pat bar offspring. zip pat bar was the sire of zip pine bar, but i never heard any problems among the owners i've known with him. zip pat bar also sired the invester who is the great grandfather of my colt. He is still young but haven't noticed any problems.

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Originally posted by chasin3cans03:

ive noticed how they all are normally long backed.

I have noticed that also, my boy is rather long. I have been told that makes for a smoother ride. He is very smooth when he lopes, has a long stride.

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Originally posted by chasin3cans03:

ive noticed how they all are normally long backed.

I have noticed that also, my boy is rather long. I have been told that makes for a smoother ride. He is very smooth when he lopes, has a long stride.

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I have a friend who has a 6 year old grandson of zips chocolate chip and he is currently in the throes of SEVERE founder... the vet actually has said it is the worst she has ever seen. This is a re-founder... the original was last year and they were very careful but this simmer he re-foundered... they have decided it is "stress" founder from conformation as he is a stallion and has never been on pasture.

Sad thing is he has had the tendons for BOTH front feet cut, and about 60-70% of both front feet resected... in other words... the hoof wall COMPLETELY removed! I have visual knowledge of a horses hoof more then I ever wanted to.

He is a wonderful puppy dog stallion with perfect manners! He is absolutely beautiful and has really nice conformation as far as I know (I have only seen him since the founder)... other then whatever is off in his feet... and he has won alot of points in WP... I was considering finding a really nice mare to breed him to but I have since decided that I won't risk it!

Is this from his blood lines? who knows... But I ain't finding out! interesting that he is from a blood line known for feet problems!

Thia is scooter:

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It is a real shame that I will never have a baby from him! I love his temperament!

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I have a friend who has a 6 year old grandson of zips chocolate chip and he is currently in the throes of SEVERE founder... the vet actually has said it is the worst she has ever seen. This is a re-founder... the original was last year and they were very careful but this simmer he re-foundered... they have decided it is "stress" founder from conformation as he is a stallion and has never been on pasture.

Sad thing is he has had the tendons for BOTH front feet cut, and about 60-70% of both front feet resected... in other words... the hoof wall COMPLETELY removed! I have visual knowledge of a horses hoof more then I ever wanted to.

He is a wonderful puppy dog stallion with perfect manners! He is absolutely beautiful and has really nice conformation as far as I know (I have only seen him since the founder)... other then whatever is off in his feet... and he has won alot of points in WP... I was considering finding a really nice mare to breed him to but I have since decided that I won't risk it!

Is this from his blood lines? who knows... But I ain't finding out! interesting that he is from a blood line known for feet problems!

Thia is scooter:

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It is a real shame that I will never have a baby from him! I love his temperament!

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WOW, thanks for all of the info everyone, the person who said that they saw a shift in the coffin bone really gave me hope to get my second opinion, I have hope for Patty & I hope that she truly does not have Navicular - I guess I have learned a good lesson to stay away from horses with dainty legs & feet like my mare has - I have never had any experience with Navicular & from what I heard about this syndrome I don't want to, it seems quite nasty for the poor horse.

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WOW, thanks for all of the info everyone, the person who said that they saw a shift in the coffin bone really gave me hope to get my second opinion, I have hope for Patty & I hope that she truly does not have Navicular - I guess I have learned a good lesson to stay away from horses with dainty legs & feet like my mare has - I have never had any experience with Navicular & from what I heard about this syndrome I don't want to, it seems quite nasty for the poor horse.

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I have a freind that had a 4 year old quarter horse with daunty feet. She was 16 hands. Her farrier came out to put shoes on her since she was a little ouchy after she got her. Her feet weren't done for 3 or 4 months before that. He won't put shoes on and said that the horse had navicular. She took her to a specialist and he won't x-ray. He said for her to get shoes on her since her hooves were wore down to nothing. She needed to get some hoove growth first. Once she got shoes on her she was sound and got better. The farrier had a hard time getting shoes on her since there wasn't much hoove to work with. Just a thought. Somewhere I read that a lot of horses are getting miss diagnose with navicular too. I am not sure if it was in a article I read or on here somewhere.

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I have a freind that had a 4 year old quarter horse with daunty feet. She was 16 hands. Her farrier came out to put shoes on her since she was a little ouchy after she got her. Her feet weren't done for 3 or 4 months before that. He won't put shoes on and said that the horse had navicular. She took her to a specialist and he won't x-ray. He said for her to get shoes on her since her hooves were wore down to nothing. She needed to get some hoove growth first. Once she got shoes on her she was sound and got better. The farrier had a hard time getting shoes on her since there wasn't much hoove to work with. Just a thought. Somewhere I read that a lot of horses are getting miss diagnose with navicular too. I am not sure if it was in a article I read or on here somewhere.

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I have a grandson of Zippo's out of Don't Skip Zip. He is 5 years old, he was diagnosed with OCD, bone spavins and Arthritis. Though the vet attributes this to the feeding program he was on when he was younger. He thinks he was feed improperly when he was growing. But after reading all the other posts, I wonder if the breed could be partially to blame.

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I have a grandson of Zippo's out of Don't Skip Zip. He is 5 years old, he was diagnosed with OCD, bone spavins and Arthritis. Though the vet attributes this to the feeding program he was on when he was younger. He thinks he was feed improperly when he was growing. But after reading all the other posts, I wonder if the breed could be partially to blame.

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