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#1 draftiemama

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:29 AM

I have one.

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(this may seem random, it's not)

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:31 AM

One of my favorite horses ever was a pig eyed horse. I didn't think there was anything wrong with him. Other than that his eyes seem disproportionately small in comparison to his head size. He also had a big old roman nose. I found him to be quite devastatingly handsome, actually.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:34 AM

me too

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:35 AM

I've never heard that expression Draftie.
What does it mean?

Guess I can't really tell if his eyes are too small or not since he's so dark.
He looks precious to me.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:36 AM

I have a "pig eyed" horse that I ride everyday at work. He is an awesome ride!

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:39 AM

Generally pig eyed horses (small, squinty eyes) are thought to be stubborn and hard to handle.

If fact Bravo is easy to deal with, but I start riding him this weekend so I'll let you know for sure.

Pinky, is your pig eyed horse balky/difficult?

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:41 AM

actually not at all. He isnt broke yet though... [Embarrassed] But he is an awesome horse. Great mind.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by draftiemama:
Generally pig eyed horses (small, squinty eyes) are thought to be stubborn and hard to handle.

I believe that because people "think" they are stubborn and difficult, they subconsciously treat them that way, which makes the horse more inclined to act that way [Smile]

And then, people notice stuff that confirms what they believe and toss out stuff that doesn't. So they might see ten pig-eyed horses. Maybe 4 of them are actually difficult. But that will confirm their belief, and they'll remember the 4 that were difficult and not the 6 that were fine.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:43 AM

I read something the other day about pig-eyed horses. Yes the old saying was they would be stubborn and/or balky and skittish.
But what I read said something about it might have been due to more limited range of eyesight, not the actual size.

I have ridden some pig-eyed horses that were good rides.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:46 AM

Ahh, I see.
Guess there are exceptions to every rule.

Can anyone answer me this?
I have a 2 yr. old with eyes that have white around them...don't know what they call it.
I can post a pic if you like but don't want to intrude on draftie's post.

Clinton Anderson was saying, he likes a nice round, kind eye to a horse, doesn't everyone? But he's found horses with eyes like my filly's tend to be knuckleheads, sometimes difficult to deal with.

Have to say...he's right on about her!
She's smart, learns quick, but sometimes goofy as heck.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:47 AM

The one I ride here at work isn't stubborn or hard headed, etc. The only thing he does is sometimes he'll spook at stupid things. It's usually things off in the distance.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:48 AM

GT, that could be the key, we create the behavior because we expect it.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:49 AM

I don't see anything wrong with them [Wink]

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:51 AM

Post away QH lover.

I think it's called the sclera on your horse.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:55 AM

I have a pig-eyed Standardbred and I love him to death. He's *maybe* a little stubborn but I dont mind. He's the love of my life!

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:56 AM

The one I used to ride had the pig eyes and bulgy forehead (in addition to the roman nose) that people say BOTH are signs of balkiness, stubbornness, bad attitude, etc. He was absolutely none of the above. If he had been I wouldn't have had so much darn fun on him. Now he was a crabby guy from the ground but he was also almost 30 years old and had been carting kids and beginners around for most of his life. But when I rode him he was just spectacular.

He was one of those horses who would snap his teeth and pin his ears when you saddled him but the second you climbed on his back he was 100% there with you. "Where we going? What you want to do? Am I doing this right?" You asked for something and he was RIGHT there. Didn't matter how big it was, how scary it was, how freaked out other horses were, on any trail if you pointed him at it and gave him heel he would do what he had to to get you over/under/through it.

He was smart, and funny, and just an all around great horse except when you were in the act of saddling him and then he was a cranky old man. But he was absolutely not balky or stubbourn or otherwise hard headed.

In fact I'd take a pig eyed, bulgy foreheaded,roman nosed, short, fat horse like that any day, as long as it had the same personality and behaviour as old Joker did.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:57 AM

QH - Sclera is the white.

eta- One of the traits of an App. Just to explain it a little.

[ 06-20-2008, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: BB Blue ]

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 12:02 PM

Yep the white around the eye is the sclera, the reason some folks say they are dinks or skittish is because most horses it doesn't show unless they get 'big/bug eyed' when excited or spooked. Spooky usually means they are skittish ya know?

Apps though it is a trait and some other breeds you can find it as well.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 12:04 PM

I had a saddlebred when I lived up north, the whites of his eyes were always showing...he was a freak though.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 12:20 PM

My big old Percheron has a bit of a pig eye (what "fault" doesn't she have would be easier to list) and she is a stubborn, sometimes hard to handle old bia. But she is smart as a whip (smarter than me, and the problem is, she knows it)

She doesn't have a mean bone in her body, she's no more skittish than any other horse who feels it's their job to look after everybody (because in her opinion, she's horsey mensa material and everybody else is not so bright).

I will admit that I don't find small eyes as attractive as the big, brown, eye lash batting ones, but pretty is as pretty does.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 12:20 PM

OK...Melody as a yearling

Sweet:
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Wild child...she's definatly an oxymoron!

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 12:28 PM

Melody is a beauty! Most horses have dark sclera, Miss Melody has white sclera.

DH, you need to be posting some pictures of your girl.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 12:48 PM

Oh what a pretty girl! Her eyes remind me of my old appys. To me that is an apps eye.

Bravo is just gorgeous! He may have pig eyes but he is a beaut!!

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 01:06 PM

I don't know what it is, but Sundance, our 29 yo QH/Appy, has that white around his eyes showing all the time. It really shows when he's excited or doing something that causes him to concentrate really hard. That horse doesn't have a stubborn, mean bone in his body. I rode that horse when I was 4 and he was just as gentle as to not hurt me. He was my and my little sister's babysitter growing up. But as someone stated above, I think that's the App's trait.

I've known a lot of "pig-eyed" horses that are great horses, but I have heard they are stubborn, but I think we just expect them to be stubborn.

Heck we had a horse, Trigger, that was fine, as looks go, but me and that horse fought for hours until he got too tired to fight anymore. He was born stubborn though, I knew him as a colt.

D-mama- Your horse is beautiful.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 02:05 PM

Here he is.
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Here is his mama. She is not pig eyed at all. But I dont think pics really show it that well on any horse.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 02:12 PM

I've known a few pig eyed horses, the majority of them were really skittish. I too read the article that they can't see as well, and it made sense to me. Have known some great ones too though.

The white around the eye is just an Appy or Paint trait isn't it?

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 02:19 PM

quote:
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The white around the eye is just an Appy or Paint trait isn't it?

Well that explains it, her Dam is a paint with one blue eye.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by draftiemama:

DH, you need to be posting some pictures of your girl.

I know, I know, Maybe this weekend. See, the issue is, I see her as a Rommie, and I don't know if my tender psyche can bear the truth as will be revealed by the ever honest HC gang. [Razz]

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 02:35 PM

They are right, it is white sclera, a trait found in the color breeds.

I personally don't think that pig eyes, white sclera or sparse mane and tails mean anything beyond a fashion statement. It is in the breeding and the training.

As to Draftie's reference... Same goes for people. Their physical charicteristics have nothing to do with their ability to preform their jobs. Be that a janitor, a welder, or president of the United States. When people are reduced to picking on looks, you know they have nothing left to pick apart.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 02:40 PM

Well put SpottedT!!

DraftHorse - we want pictures of your girl so we can ooh and ahh appropriately!! [Big Grin]

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