Is He A Twh?, Link to Pedigree & Photos Post #21 Options

[ExtraHannah]

So, nobody, including me, thinks Tigo really looks much like a Walker. The vet always gets it wrong and I just noticed she has him as QH on his latest coggins. When I first got him, I was convinced that he was a cross and I'm still not sure. The first thing the trainer said when he stepped off the trailer at her place was, "That's not a Walker!" He did come with papers. However, I've been told that it's not very hard to buy papers from a horse that died or didn't have his papers sent on with a sale, etc. Particularly for a solid black gelding. There are about a zillion TWH's out there that would fit that description. From his teeth, the age is about right, but that's not all that hard either.

Tigo just doesn't look much like a Walker to me. He's not really narrow and lanky and he has a small (will fit in a cob), cute, short head. It's not long at all. Even his butt doesn't look Walkerish to me. General agreement seems to be that his neck/shoulder connection and the shape of his hooves are the only real Walker characteristics he has. He can do a running walk or some semblance of it, but he doesn't like to. I've never seen him gait in the pasture and it's a challenge to get him to under saddle. The only time he voluntarily gaits is if he really wants to go on a trail ride and I'm holding him back. I know some QH can rack and I don't know enough to tell the difference in a rack and a running walk.

So, what do you guys think? It doesn't' matter a bit to me. I'm just curious about others opinions. And I'm tired of saying he's a TWH and being told, "No he's not!"



A little older, but best confo I have. Excuse the halter that had slipped down:







Trotting:



This post has been edited by ExtraHannah: Jun 27 2009, 11:53 AM

[dixiecowgirl25]

I would have to see some video of him being rode to really say for sure, but I agree he does have more of a QH type look to him, maybe even a bit morgan-ish. Yet he does look a bit TWH-ish as well. I have seen a few that do not have the real long heads and are rather stocky, but most have that typical TWH look.

Sadly it isnt hard to get papers with a horse they don't belong to. Years ago when we used to breed and daddy was also a horse trader we bought a reg mare that we later sold, found out her papers were not hers at all and we nearly got sued over it all. Luckily it worked out for us but yep it does happen, I know of one horse trader back home that was notorious for selling bunk papers with horses, he collected them to put with grade horses he picked up at sales.

[Spaceman Spiff]

If he has papers it shouldn't be too hard to figure out who his supposed breeder is. You can always check records with them.

I think in the first pic I would believe you if you said TWH, but in others like someone else said he looks rather QHey and Morganey. Not so much that I'd totally throw TWH out the window though.

He's pretty, anyway!

[I love Tater]

Hmm... it's hard to say for sure. but if you were able to get some DNA testing done that might prove it... if it turns out to be false you could turn in the former owner

[ExtraHannah]

Thanks guys! It's interesting to hear other opinions.

I could ask the trainer if she minds if I get a video of him gaiting next time I'm there. She's not a gaited horse trainer, but does have him doing it. He's just not all that happy about it. Of course, he's not happy about all the work he's having to do, particularly in a ring (boring), anyway. Poor old guy thought he was retired and now he's having his butt worked off.

I have attempted to look up his breeder, but can't find anything if I google his name and TWH. So, he must not be big into the breed. At least not any more. It has been 16 or 17 years. Unfortunately, it's a pretty common name and there are 12 of them listed in the white pages for WV, where he's from. Oh, I just noticed I do have a city too. Off to check...

[LongingtoRun]

I'm voting for QH. Look at that QH butt. Hubba, hubba.

[ExtraHannah]

I'm voting for QH. Look at that QH butt. Hubba, hubba.

Yeah, that's what I keep getting from QH people. No way is that a TWH butt or head. I'm hoping by the time he comes home that butt will be firm and not made of jello! Then I'll just have to keep it that way.

Thanks LTR!

Darn, no one listed by his breeder's name in the town and state listed on Tigo's papers.

ETA: Here's a butt shot for all of you butt people:



This post has been edited by ExtraHannah: Jun 25 2009, 08:22 PM

[Rynn]

We have a TWH stallion that is half arab. He looks like an arab. He has the small, fine, dished face, and the beautiful arched neck of the arab. His legs are fine with dainty hooves. If you put him next to an arab, you wouldnt know he was half TW. He is gaited, and does a beautiful running walk. His babies are all gaited, and all have the small dished face, and that beautiful neck. He is all black with a smigen of white at the back of a coronet band on one foot. Its hard to say. Your horse is beautiful though! I am sure the papers are correct.

[manesntails]

Does her need a gaited saddle or will he fit QH bars?

If he fits those QH saddles, he's gotta be at least half QH.

I've never seen a purebred gaited horse who was comfortable in QH bars,

they just are NOT built like a QH in the shoulders.

[ExtraHannah]

Now that's an interesting observation manes! I was riding him in a TexTan Flex trail saddle with full QH bars. It never seemed to make him sore anywhere and appeared, to my uneducated eye, to fit decently. However, I thought it was constricting his shoulders a bit when I asked him to gait, but I'm not positive. It turns out, even bareback or in the treeless saddle I bought him, he doesn't like to gait. So it may have been a handy excuse. The trainer is working him pretty hard in a cutting horse saddle and he's doing well in it. No soreness at all from the saddle. She said though that cutting saddles tend to give more freeness in the shoulders?? Forgive my ignorance, hunter chick here.

Thank you Rynn!

This post has been edited by ExtraHannah: Jun 25 2009, 08:52 PM

[Trinity]

Looks like a crossbred to me but cant tell alot from just piccies.

Just FYI...there are definatly TWHS out there with little, petite heads now. Some so much thet they look like the black stallionish and there are definatly TWHS that are thicker bodied out there too but this boy does look a bit like a TWH/QH cross type to me.

[flequus]

I don't care what he is...he is just so handsome. I loves Tigo.

[REMONA]

Those big boned big headed TW's are plantation (foundation) bred. The original TW"s are biiig. I actually thought one was a draft horse once because he had a huge head and he was big like a draftie.

A lot of the TW's these days are more fine boned and look like a quarter horse with the big rump and shorter in height. Personally I can see the TW in Tigo. I love TW's whether they are huge or not. Just watching them move thrills me.

Dayum he's gorgeous!

[ExtraHannah]

I didn't know they were breeding TWH's with the smaller, cute heads. I had actually thought I read somewhere that the bigger heads bobbin' helped them gait better. Of course, I guess that could be true, since Tigo can't gait worth a darn. l

Tigo isn't very big either. He just squeaks in at 15 hands with his front shoes on. And he wears Ground Control shoes, which are synthetic and around 1/2" thick. I call them his lifts. (And no, I don't have big heavy shoes on him or ridiculously long hooves. These are actually about as close to barefoot as you can get and still use a shoe.) Other than the belly, he's not really all that big either. I'd say he should be about 850 lbs, though he's closer to 950 these days.

Thanks for the compliments guys. Whatever he is, I think he's cute too!

ETA: And QH/TWH cross is in the lead with over 50% of the votes! My trainer would feel vindicated. She's sure that's what he is.

This post has been edited by ExtraHannah: Jun 26 2009, 02:02 PM

[Stormypony]

I think his solid color throws you off, if he gaits-I'd say he is a TWH. If this helps any- this is my mare that is Reg. TWH. by the way, he's a pretty boy.

[dondie]

My TWH mare was often mistaken for a Morgan.
Especially after we lowered her overlong hooves.
I saw pics of her winning silver plates/bowls and ribbons.
So I know that she was a real live TWH.

When I first drove up to see her, the owner was riding a jug-headed big eared slat-sided bay and I was ready to turn around and drive home.....FAST!
I was so happy to see that she was the only horse on the place that I would consider "good looking"!



Edited to make more sense, I had to dash off to go to work and didn't have time to read what I wrote!

This post has been edited by dondie: Jun 27 2009, 09:32 AM

[MargaretW]

He's a mutt! So just bring him on down here to my farm.

[ExtraHannah]

He's a mutt! So just bring him on down here to my farm.

Nope, can't have him Margaret! He's a good egg and not going anywhere. Even if I do want to strangle him occasionally, I promised him he had a home for life. If those are his papers he went through 8 (I think) owners in 13 years, poor guy.

Very interesting info guys! I love learning. Your mare is a cutie Stormy! Tigo can gait, but it's pretty unwillingly or when he's really excited only. So, I think he could certainly be a cross. Or he could just be a Walker that didn't have the gait come through strongly or was trained poorly. Who knows!

[littleone2006]

I voted 1/2 QH although I've seen a rare TWH with cute heads. Its rare! I love Tigo though no matter what his breeding is!

Stormy- I just have to point out that TWH are supposed to be solid. Its considered by many ppl around here (I live 30 mins away from the Celebration) to be highly suspicious that spotted Walkers appeared- some fudging in the breeding shed is suspected. At least thats what I've heard through the grapevines. Pretty mare though!

[Monet26]

I don't know.....but he sure is puuurrrrddyyy!!!

[ExtraHannah]

Awww, I can't show Tigo this thread or his cute little head will get swollen! LOL

I forgot that I do have his (supposed) pedigree online. Tigo's Pride . It's absolutely full of mostly black horses, though the listed sire was a black and white I discovered. If you don't know, you can go to the top left under Reports and click Photos. That will show all the available photos of horses in his pedigree. I had a lot of fun looking at the pics and seeing if I could see Tigo in them.

This post has been edited by ExtraHannah: Jun 27 2009, 11:51 AM

[Apps4Life]

I think I've posted this pic before, but here you go EH. This is my mom's TWH gelding about a month after we got him and he lost some of his grass pasture pudge. He also rarely gaits and when he does he sometimes gets confused and we have a true hot mess of a gait. He'd rather trot or canter than pick up his running walk, which when he does get into it is comfy. He comes in around 17.1HH and 1400# when he's in shape.

An old cowboy went over him when we first got him and swore that he was a QH/Percheron cross.

[Stormypony]

Stormy- I just have to point out that TWH are supposed to be solid. Its considered by many ppl around here (I live 30 mins away from the Celebration) to be highly suspicious that spotted Walkers appeared- some fudging in the breeding shed is suspected. At least thats what I've heard through the grapevines. Pretty mare though!

This is from the registry- so yes my mare is a true authentic TWH. It would be hard to fudge her papers with her coloring. By the way she is double registered as a Spotted Saddle Horse,too.


http://www.twhbea.com/breed/patterns.php


ETA: by the way she gaits under saddle and in the pasture, so I'd don't think there's any question about her being a TWH.- now back to Extra's thread(sorry to hijack)

This post has been edited by Stormypony: Jun 27 2009, 01:04 PM

[Lash Man and Al ...]

EH- Now I can't profess to be an expert on TWH, but I've been around them some. I really think he is TWH. If you look at some of the older conformation of the breed, they're stockier and have a head that looks just like Tigo's. SOME gaited horses just don't gait or it's difficult for them to. It does come natural to the majority of them, but some of them simply never pick it up especially if they haven't been classically trained to gait.

[HeGotSpots]

I have a mare that is 1/2 TWH and the other 1/2 is appy.Who would have ever thought that would be a good idea?
She doesn't gait, except going up hill. She is built like a QH/bus( long backed). I have to use a special breast collar on her because she does have those rolling shoulders.






Your boy sure is cute, wanna trade for a alpha alpha rank 1/2appy 1/2 TWH mare?

[ExtraHannah]

That is one big, solid horse Apps!! I can see how someone would think there was some Percheron in there. The size and his head look draftie. I know what you mean about the gait. I love it when Tigo actually does it. Soooo smooth! But unless I take him somewhere new, it's an awful lot of work to get him to do it. I'm hoping the trainer has him a little more consistent in it by now. She wasn't asking for a lot until he got in a little better shape. Poor guy would be blowing just from walking up the hill to get to the ring.

Thanks for the input Lash! Yes, there were a few of the horse photos in his pedigree that seemed to have a kind of similar, cute head. I was surprised as a lot of them were from quite some time ago!

LOL Spots! I don't really get why anyone would cross a gaited breed with anything else. I mean I understand some crosses, but with the gaited horses it doesn't make a lot of sense to me personally. Your girl looks quite pretty though! I think I'll stick with my dominant, pushy, bomb proof gelding that anyone can ride though thank you.