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#1 sycamore124

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 03:20 PM

Just so I am not hijacking RodeoCowgirl504's topic ( Girl, I do hope you get your horse back soon, safe and sound)... but after reading her post.... it seems that brands are not just vanity.... I had my brand made and registered years ago when horses were still bringing decent money ( killer price was still up )... my horses are pretty much nondescript... chestnut with a blaze mare, mahogany bay gelding...
I had mine freeze branded simply because is they were ever stolen ( let's face it... if some one steals something, ANYTHING they get for it is pure profit! ! ! !) ... and a freeze brand would be easier to see at a distance ( that way I would not have to trespass to verify it was my horse... ) plus there are laws concerning branded animals- Granted ... they may not always be enforced, however it would be easier to describe and identify a branded animal ( not to mention - if the laws are not followed and someone does sell a branded animal not their own. Should they get caught... then that is a whole new can of worms ! !)
And now reading 1504's situation... I am glad I do brand my animals.... 1504... my heart goes out to ya kid... don't know what I would do if one of my critters came up missing like that.. a flood of thoughts come over ya at a time like that... being sold for slaughter... being sold to an individual as a personal riding horse... no telling... thoughts and prayers go out to ya kid... Syc...

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 04:04 PM

Syc: I have thought about it as well. Where does one go to "register" a brand? And what is the difference between freeze branding and a regular brand? Pics???

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 05:10 PM

Freeze branding is done with liquid nitrogen - it's cold versus regular branding being hot. Here's the video of my mare being branded. (Please ignore the sarcastic banter - one of my friends said I was torturing my horse to decorate her, and we were making fun.) I had my horses done because I had a guy drive up, point at my mare, and say, "That's my gelding there in your pasture. I'm going in to get him." Had she not been a mare, I'm not sure I could have convinced him that she wasn't his horse. Jet is bay with no markings.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 05:12 PM

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 05:50 PM

I've been wanting to freeze brand my mare. She just so plain. The only white she has is her star/stripe and then her wound white on her right cheek. You can't really see her wound white or the slight roaning she's doing on her left side from a distance, so I was thinking a freeze brand would be a better way to id her.

FYI: Wound white is referring to a sore that grew white hairs instead of her normal coat color.
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Posted 09 March 2011 - 05:59 PM

Syc: I have thought about it as well. Where does one go to "register" a brand? And what is the difference between freeze branding and a regular brand? Pics???



You will need to apply for a brand with your state brand inspectors. I would just google that and you should be able to find something.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:02 PM

KatyB, your story about the guy saying your mare was his is a great example of the problems facing horse owners and groups that help during disasters. There are too many horses that look alike in this world!

A local vet is offering a microchip and vaccine clinic to help ID horses.
The problem with the microchip (opposed to a brand) is that you can't tell if a horse is chipped or not.
I wish they had some sort of mini-freeze brand that signified a chipped horse. Like a * star pattern near the mane. That way anyone can see that somewhere that horse has a chip that tells who the owner is.

A friend of mine had all of her animals microchiped. During a fire, they had to evacuate all their animals to their local high school with thousands of others. When she went to get her horses, her pregnant sorrel mare was missing. There were other sorrels in the football field. But none of them came when she whistled. They found the tag she'd wired to the halter on the ground. But no horse.

A couple of days later she got a call that some one brought a mare back that might be hers. One swipe of the reader and the chip confirmed it. Luckily, her mare was a cutting horse and the people who claimed her had a low key trail horse. They figured out that it wasn't their horse after they were spun off multiple times when they rode.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:29 PM

That's why I went with the brand - it's too obvious to ignore, even if you aren't looking for it.

Registering the brand in TN was easy. I think it was with the state Ag department, and it cost like $10. The guy who did my brand (brandnman.com) told me how to register it - before he came, to be sure the brand was available.
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Posted 09 March 2011 - 09:16 PM

I have some questions:

What about paint horses? Obviously there isn't a large issue with being able to identify them, but there are seriously 2097509275028402 sorrel tobiano geldings around us. I have a ton of pics of Scirocco, but it would be excellent to just say look-- he's mine. See? Gots my name on his bum (joking about the name and the bum, btw). But where would you put the brand? Or is hot branding really the only option? I feel like that is a silly question, because I am pretty sure I've never seen a paint horse who was branded...

And when/if you sell the horse-- this may vary state to state-- is there a special form you should fill out? Or just note it on the bill of sale?
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Posted 09 March 2011 - 09:31 PM

Katyb: Thanks for the video.. It looked to me like it didn't bother your mare at all! What does it look like now, after the hair has grown out??

And can someone show me what a hot brand looks like after it is grown out....????


I also have a Paint, and a TON of pictures of her. And my Appy... but, I have NO proof of ownership... cept on my appy the vet bill with his pic on it. Neither of the people I purchased from gave me a bill of sale.. and they are both grade so no papers either.. . So, in a crisis, how do I prove ownership? No coggins tests has been done on either horse. Should I get one done just so that I have proof those animals belong to me??

I am sure that if someone ever stole Sonora, they would bring her back in 5 mins cause she is such a SNOT!!! But Whiskey is such a sweetie that I would NEVER get him back..


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Posted 09 March 2011 - 09:57 PM

I have some questions:

What about paint horses? Obviously there isn't a large issue with being able to identify them, but there are seriously 2097509275028402 sorrel tobiano geldings around us. I have a ton of pics of Scirocco, but it would be excellent to just say look-- he's mine. See? Gots my name on his bum (joking about the name and the bum, btw). But where would you put the brand? Or is hot branding really the only option? I feel like that is a silly question, because I am pretty sure I've never seen a paint horse who was branded...

And when/if you sell the horse-- this may vary state to state-- is there a special form you should fill out? Or just note it on the bill of sale?



I've seen both hot and freeze brands on hips and shoulder alike, and I rode an arab for a while with a serial number type freeze brand along his neck up near the mane.

I would say if you're set on branding a paint though and don't have a colored hip or shoulder that hot branding is probably your only option.
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Posted 09 March 2011 - 10:14 PM

Freeze branding on a white or grey horse kills the hair follicles, so no hair actually grows back. It just looks like a nekkid spot. (On a grey, the nekkid part is black, because of the dark skin.)

Hot brands are just nekkid. No hair ever grows back.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 07:16 AM

Yeah - you can freeze brand a white horse, or the white part of a paint. It isn't as obvious from a distance, but it would still be obvious on inspection.

I'll look for a good picture. The brand looks lovely when they are in a slick summer coat, but not crisp with shaggy winter hair (which we are losing now, but it's not GONE).

Jet was much more upset about being twitched (the branding guy required it) than the branding. Her tail isn't clamped, so while I won't say it was fun for her, I don't think it was horribly painful.
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 11:34 AM

Registering is usually done at the state agriculture/livestock and poultry department. (I work for the Arkansas livestock and poultry commissions veterinary diagnostic laboratory.) When you register a brand here you must provide a picture of the brand and tell where on the animal the brand will be placed and how big the brand is.

As far as a brand that doesn't hurt LN definitely the way to go. Some of my supplies here at the lab have to be stored in liquid nitrogen. On several occasions I have gotten the LN spilled/splashed on me and it just feels like cold water that evaporates very quickly and didn't hurt a bit. Once it stayed on me long enough to make a small sore, but even that didn't hurt much at all even when it scabbed over. It was definitely less painful that getting burned with hot metal which I have also done numerous times. (Just because a bunsen burner is turned off does not mean it is cool) I'm a bit accident prone unfortunately.
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 12:38 PM

Freeze branding on a white or grey horse kills the hair follicles, so no hair actually grows back. It just looks like a nekkid spot. (On a grey, the nekkid part is black, because of the dark skin.)

Hot brands are just nekkid. No hair ever grows back.



This is something I am seriously considering after this whole fiasco. My one QH gelding is grey so a freeze brand on him would simply kill the hair follicle and he wouldn't grow any hair there correct? Does anyone know why it kills the follicle on a white/grey but makes it grow back white on another colored animal? I guess being here is Wis I'm not up to date on all of this branding stuff or how to go about doing so but it's definitely something I am now interested in.

How do you go about having a brand created?

What's it cost to get a branding iron (I assume this is still used in a freeze brand, please correct me if I'm incorrect)? Can you do it yourself or does someone else have to do it? How do you register it? Department of ag?

Also, what are the pros/cons to freeze brands vs. the regular hot brands? I assume it's a bit less painful. If it makes a difference I currently have a grey and sorrel QH as well as a sorrel paint but she is breeding stock (& for the record not located on the same property as the others).
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 12:38 PM

Freeze branding on a white or grey horse kills the hair follicles, so no hair actually grows back. It just looks like a nekkid spot. (On a grey, the nekkid part is black, because of the dark skin.)

Hot brands are just nekkid. No hair ever grows back.



This is something I am seriously considering after this whole fiasco. My one QH gelding is grey so a freeze brand on him would simply kill the hair follicle and he wouldn't grow any hair there correct? Does anyone know why it kills the follicle on a white/grey but makes it grow back white on another colored animal? I guess being here is Wis I'm not up to date on all of this branding stuff or how to go about doing so but it's definitely something I am now interested in.

How do you go about having a brand created?

What's it cost to get a branding iron (I assume this is still used in a freeze brand, please correct me if I'm incorrect)? Can you do it yourself or does someone else have to do it? How do you register it? Department of ag?

Also, what are the pros/cons to freeze brands vs. the regular hot brands? I assume it's a bit less painful. If it makes a difference I currently have a grey and sorrel QH as well as a sorrel paint but she is breeding stock (& for the record not located on the same property as the others).
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 12:57 PM

I think they leave the iron on longer to kill the folicles on white or gray horses, since turning the hair white would be pointless.

The guy I used had a list of regular irons that he has on his truck, and you could combine those however you wanted to make your own brand (but you have to send it off to give the state time to verify it is available). You could also have him make a custom iron for an additional fee.
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 02:11 PM

My sorrel is hot branded on his left shoulder with a pitchfork and a 7. The brand belongs to a ranch in western ND, they were the first owners of Jake after his breeder. It's a big, ugly brand, but it makes him stand out from the other sorrels with blazes and four white socks. Well, that and the upside down V shaped scar on the knothead's forehead. :rolleye0014:

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 03:09 PM

Thank you for the info. When I get everything arranged with the boys so they are free and clear in my name and possession I will certainly look into this. I only wish I had considered it sooner :duh: :mecry:
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 05:50 PM

KayB: That website addy doesn't work. It says the web page is unavailble. :confused0024:
Maybe you didn't put it down right?
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 07:13 PM

I'm pretty sure that was it.


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Posted 10 March 2011 - 07:29 PM

Jeannie had his contact info - hope this is okay. It's not REALLY advertising.

I actually have a card from him:
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 10:18 PM

My mare has very distinctive markings, so really didn't need to brand her for identification. Would be hard to find another horse similarly marked. However, I feel that a branded horse is less likely to be stolen than a non-branded one, so chose to brand both of our horses.

To freeze brand a gray/white horse or the white area of any horse, the iron is left on longer, creating a burn brand that is like that acquired from a hot iron. The scarred skin creates the brand.

To decide where to brand a horse that has white markings (Paint, pinto, Appaloosa, etc.), you need to check with your State's Brand Inspector or Registration Department. There are sometimes regulations on where a brand may be placed. For example, in Texas (where I registered my brand) the brand is registered by county and must specify location (for example: left flank, left shoulder, right flank, left neck, etc.) and the brand can ONLY be applied to that registered location unless you register it more than once for more than one location. Which is what a lot of the Paint breeders do because they never know where color will show up on their foals. Problem with the Texas registration is that someone in another county could legally register a brand exactly like yours unless you were also registered in that county. Registration in Texas was cheap, though -- only $8 -- so not a hardship to register it more than once.

I didn't worry about it, as I knew I was moving out of state within a year or two of when I registered my brand. I chose the left hip/flank, as my mare had bay color there. I prefer the left side for a brand, as that is the side a person usually mounts and tends to look at first when checking for brands. I was lucky when we bought my husband's gelding, as he had color in the same area so I didn't have to register the brand for another location for him.

In Colorado, where I am now located, it is a whole other ballgame. I haven't bothered to register my brand, as I don't intend to use it on any more horses. As I understand it, the brand is registered for the whole state (I think most states do that -- Texas is just too darn big) and can be applied anywhere on the animal, no specific location is registered to the brand. Much more flexible. However, the price of registration is VERY high here. Which is one of the reasons I didn't register mine after moving here.

No matter where you register a brand, you'll probably have to search the existing brand book(s) to verify that someone else hasn't registered the same brand. That can be very time-consuming. I was fortunate in that the county I was registering in had put their brand book on computers, so I was able to go to the court house and search for brands that contained the symbols I wanted to use. Didn't find any, so I didn't have to come up with another design.

There are sometimes rules about what characters can be used in a brand. Colorado allows either letters or numbers or
symbols. They have a list of accepted symbols that can be used alone, but if you want to use a symbol that isn't in their brand book, it must be preceded by either a letter, number, or a symbol from their list. When I designed my brand, I used a crescent moon which was acceptable in Colorado, followed by "my" feather design.

I took a lot of pics, during the branding and for several months afterward to document the healing process. I'll post some -- warning: this post will be long!

Here's my brand on my mare, immediately after removing the iron (had a vet do the branding):
Very interesting how the skin "puffed" around the iron.
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18 minutes after branding:
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5 days after branding, scab peeling:
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20 days after branding:
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49 days after branding:
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Showing how it looks on the whole horse, 20 days after branding (after a bath):
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And in Feb of last year, showing even with the winter woolies:
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ETA: Yep, quite a porker last winter. She's looking better this year since switching to slow feeder hay nets, but I don't have any recent pics that show the brand.

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