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    Eagle River, AK (Stationed in Turkey)
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  1. Woooo Hooooo! We Did It!

    Thanks William! It's nice to be able share good news about my horse after all this trouble. I loped again today, but there's bad weather starting so he wasn't in as good of a mood as I would have liked, BUT No problems!!!
  2. Picture Time!

    Hey there Barrelracer, No, he's not turned out with a halter all the time. These are in the arena after we were done lunging.
  3. Woooo Hooooo! We Did It!

    Hey guys! Thank you so much! I'm extremely happy. I would have stopped before he got tired, but the willingness changed super quick, so I asked for just one more positive thing before ending. He did great though. Next time I'll be more attentive, but today I was extremely nervous!!!! We've been conditioning him 5 to 6 days a week for almost a month now and he's doing really well and was perfectly ready for today's work out (my muscles definitely were not though :tongue9:). It was just a lot warmer today and I didn't realize it cause I was so tense, trying to remember to breathe... ha.. Tomorrow will be much better and I won't be so stressed about it! It's just that initial "unknown" stuff that really makes me nervous. I'm still really happy with how it all went though. Woo hoooo!
  4. Woooo Hooooo! We Did It!

    Yay!! I rode Tucker today and guess what... We LOPED!!! Eeeee! No tail swishing, no ear pinning, no bucking, no refusals. Just a great and willing attitude and some great loping/cantering for the first time EVER. It was so amazing to have him willfully lope for the first time with no fighting. All that work we put into him these past 3 weeks made a HUGE.. Let me say it again... HUUUUUGE difference. I have a video, but I'll have to edit it so I can upload it and show you guys, it's too long time-wise. My muscles are so out of shape for riding, but he worked with me anyways. He was listening so well that it was more like over listening.. I'd quietly say "easy" and he'd come to a very quick stop. But that's the worst he threw at me other than a couple tail swishes toward the end when he was getting tired, BUT that was all! Normally he'd swish, curl up, pin his ears, refuse to go forward, and would definitely buck at the lope when asked, especially when he was tired and wanted to be done. yaaaaaaay. It was just in the round pen this time, but still! He was excellent for the first time ever at the lope and today was just the beginning. [Yay] [Yay] doin the *Happy Dance*
  5. Laying Down A Horse

    I do have to point out that the tone in some of these posts isn't a very friendly one (Now, if you disagree, I think you might need to re-read the posts). I've been on many different forums and I have to say that certain areas on HC do have a very different, not-so-friendly tone sometimes (not all the time.) but then there are GREAT folks here as well that are extremely helpful and upbeat, even if they don't agree. I'm not talking about the folks who post and then get mad and mean when told the truth.. I've seen one post not too long ago of this one person's deathly skinny horse; that person got mad at the HC folks for telling them what was seriously wrong in that situation and what needed to be fixed.. There are ways to have conversations without growling at each other is all I'm saying (It's possible, I've experienced it elsewhere) [Crazy] All and all though, I really enjoy HC and the people. There's a ton of priceless knowledge here!
  6. Laying Down A Horse

    Hey all! Glad you guys enjoyed the thread. I like reading other people's opinions, even if they differ (as long it's mostly an upbeat conversation). Andi- thanks for reading my other posts! But I have to say I didn't lay my horse down because he bucks at the lope. I just did it for the new experience, desensitization, etc. He's been checked multiple times by vet and farrier and he's completely healthy, I think he just had a bad work ethic. For everyone else who has been keeping up with his training: I'll be loping him myself under saddle tomorrow! Wish me luck
  7. Laying Down A Horse

    We're working on the balance issues with Tucker, it's been storming/raining a LOT this past week so riding or even just doing something outside has been difficult, cold and soggy. We're still focusing on loping, I spent a whole 15 to 20 minutes, including the getting Tucker ready, on this laying down thing.. So it's not like this is something I'm focusing on while avoiding the important stuff. That would be stupid of me. I spent that short time a few days ago with my horse laying down and everyone seems to think that's all I do? It's not like I'll be spending an hour with him standing up and laying down each session, it'll probably be less than 5 minutes or less as he gets better at it, which obviously leaves me with a whole lot of time left to work on loping, riding, and having fun. I'm not trying to sound defensive, I just want to make sure people realize that this isn't a major time consuming part of training.. So far, I've done it twice in that one session we've all been talking about. It would be very rediculous of me to only focus on ground training 24/7, because obviously, I would get nowhere with his under saddle skills. I should have said "training is never finished" because that's really what I meant.. not JUST ground training. 15 to 20 minutes of a different focus that was done a few days ago should not put me at fault for not working on what I need to work on, since that's all we've been doing for 3 weeks. Sometimes it's a good thing to do something different or out of the ruts of routine. We're still focused on the under saddle loping and the only "new" and extensive amount of ground training I've done with Tucker this whole week was that 15 to 20 minute laying down exercise. I don't think I should be faulted or reminded about our real focus, since we're still focused on it. This whole conversation was about laying a horse down, not the other training I'm doing with my horse, so I didn't think to include the under saddle training in here and didn't think it would matter, especially since many folks know about what I've been doing with my horse already and what our goals are through the other threads.
  8. Laying Down A Horse

    My trainer has done this with other horses many times before, I'm not a novice, my horse isn't green and my trainer isn't a novice since she's trained and shown horses for 20 years and the clinicians never tell novices or anyone that doesn't have the knowledge or skill to go lay a horse down. Only with someone who knows what they're doing and isn't going to make it a bad experience. I'm a huuuuuuge ground training fan. I love getting my horse more and more sensitive to me.. He know body language and hand signal cues and I can lead him without a lead rope at any speed anywhere, specially when he's in working mode and focused. This is just another positive situation I've had with my horse, expanding his experiences and knowledge and skill (Eventually this will become an easy skill/trick). I like to teach my horse anything and everything I can. It's fun for both of us, especially when he gets really good at new things! It might sound weird and pointless, but I like my horse to be able to listen and respond correctly in any situation or in any position. He was safe, on soft ground, with myself and my trainer there with him, spending time getting him ready and used to everything and keeping it positive. Ground work is never over. You can always find something to teach them and make them better than they were the day before.
  9. Laying Down A Horse

    Hey guys! I just got back from being out of town for a day and a half, so I haven't been able to comment. I know there's mixed feelings about laying a horse down here and I like reading other people's thoughts and opinions on it. I still feel that my horse was calm and willing through the whole thing; before we even began gently laying him down, we practiced getting used to the rope holding his leg up for about 5 minutes, just teaching him to give to the rope and not fighting it. He did great and didn't try to paw/free his leg when it came time to laying him down. He just knelt down and slowly plopped over. As you can see, I wasn't forcing him to stay down, I just talked with him in a calm voice and rubbed and petted him all over. He stayed there willingly and eventually closed his eyes and totally relaxed his muscles, the first time, he laid there for about 5 minutes and felt the need to stand up, so I let him. I didn't want him to feel stuck, specially because I know him and know how he feels about feeling "stuck". The second time was easier and he laid there willingly for about 10 minutes until I told him to get up, but still, he sat up and slowly came to his feet and was calm and happy. Even though I don't know all the reasons why I am teaching him this, I know, just like that flipped trailer story, that maybe this might come in handy in an emergency or odd situation. We're making the drive from Minnesota to Alaska, almost 3,000 miles next month and maybe this extra desensitization, training, trust that we're working on here could come in handy on the trip. All I know is, he was the happiest eared, friendliest horse yesterday when I got back from my short trip (the first time I saw him after laying him down) and he followed me everywhere. Normally he takes his sweet time coming to greet me, but came over right away, no broken spirit or distrust. We'll do it again today, but with the halter instead of the bridle. It's been a positive experience for my horse and I, maybe one day it'll save his life or it'll just be a fun trick or just a trust builder. I know lots of you guys just absolutely hate the idea of it and probably think of the crazy broncos or the horse from "The Horse Whisperer" movie, but my horse wasn't like any of those. Very complient and quiet. I still support it, but I don't feel that you need to quickly force them into submission or scare them. My horse doesn't do well with ultra scary things that make him feel like he can't get away, so I know that how we did it was gentle and nice for him.
  10. Laying Down A Horse

    Hey all, I know the laying down thing isn't always a popular subject for some folks. I did read in Western Horseman in December or January about Clinton going back to Austrailia to help his original mentor with 15 untouched horses for a 3 day clinic. They had every horse laid down, but Clinton said that he doesn't do it in the American clinics because some people would think it was cruel for making a horse lay down. They also did an exercise where one hind leg is tied to a post by a 5 or 6 foot rope (which I won't be doing), the end result in the photo showed the horse calmly accepting it's back leg pulled straight and being touched everywhere and accepting that someone else is in control of his body. I look to Clinton, Parelli and other trainers to learn so I don't have a jumbling mess of stuff that may or may not flow well together or have consistency. With these trainers, you can see their wonderful results time after time, learn their consistency and then you get to learn the entire method and eventually get the same results if you do it correctly. Not too bad, in my opinion! I'd rather have a few great teachers and of course horse savvy mentors than to scrape my knowledge up in tiny pieces from random sources till I can figure everything out. These guys have it all written out for a person to learn and I really like that! [Jump] Next time, with Tucker, since he's done it twice already and is great at giving his head, I'll just use the halter. He did look stuffy with both halter and bridle on, but if he truly was not comfortable, I don't think he would have relaxed and closed his eyes and laid there so calmly and for so long both times. We didn't have to pull very hard, he didn't try to get away and we used the verbal cue "down". Anyway, the final cue will be holding or tapping his leg and saying "down." Look at this dude!
  11. Laying Down A Horse

    It's recommended by clinton (who's my favorite) to lay down your horse. It just gives them that extra smidgen of trust in you. If you can move their body/feet and put them in situations that may be something they normally would be worried about and show them it's ok, it's always a good thing. Desensitizing. The more desensitizing, the better (IMO) We didn't have a battle, he was very willing, quiet, and calm and practically fell asleep. I'd love it if he could trust me enough to lay down flat on his side anywhere when I asked; who has a horse that's so trusting and calm that they can have it lay down in a new place? That's part of my goal. To work up to that, we'll do normal desensitizing with ropes and bags.. There are some horsemen that have desensitized their horses so much that they can ask them to lay down, they'll stand on them and shoot a shotgun off from them. If your horse can trust you that much in that situation, just think of the trust while seeing something "scary" on a trail ride! I'd rather get my horse used to me doing ANYTHING and everything I can think of that would normally make him spooky or uncomfortable. Isn't that the goal anyways? Naturally, they only lay down when they feel very safe and/or when they have another horse to be a lookout to keep them safe. Today we were able to show him that it's safe to have me as that lookout, he can trust me. Sometimes to learn that something is safe, you have to be guided through it. He was extremely calm after the whole session was over, no tension or jumpy stuff. If Clinton and Parelli do it as basic training and John Rarey did it to gentle a horse, I'm definitely going to follow their lead. They have wonderful methods. I want my horse as desensitized, quiet, confident, trusting and calm as I can possibly get him... For his sake and my own.
  12. Disrespectful Horse?

    Do you know how to do ground work and round penning? Striking out at you kind of shoots this past just an easy correction... He may try to pick a fight with you and you obviously wouldn't win in that sort of battle. How old is he? How old are you? How big is he? What kind of training/how much training? How long have you owned and worked with equines?
  13. Laying Down A Horse

    Hey all, I've seen conversations about laying down a horse for a long time. I've been wanting to do this with Tucker for a very long time for many reasons from desensitizing to more trust to just being able to ask for it when or if I ever needed it. Well! Today we did it and he did great. The first time we did it, it took him a minute or two but he did it nicely without panic. The second time was much faster and even better. He closed his eyes and quietly laid there as I stroked him and talked with him and when I let him get up, he slowly and quietly stood up and was very calm. It was a great and almost easy experience for everybody. The goal is to teach him a cue which would eventually end up being taps on the leg and the word "down". Relaxing with his eyes closed This is me just before I knelt down. I didn't hover over his head like that for long at all.
  14. The Results

    Thank you William! I hope all of this can be fixed and smoothed out really soon! (But not today.. since it's storming outside!!) I'm just so nervous... *whew*
  15. Tucker Update!

    Hey There! The reason we taught him to stop and refocus was because pushing him through it did not work. I've tried many different things in the past, but he just didn't stop (when I say didn't stop, I mean I'd ask for the lope and try to push him through it while riding and he'd buck/crow hop/bunny hop/gallop the entire time.. no matter how long I asked for it or worked on it), so we decided to try this different approach which REALLY helped. What happens is this: He's asked to lope (in the beginning of this training, he'd buck at the trot as well) and he goes into his bucking spree, we instantly pull his head up and say whoa, as soon as the bucking stops he's instantly asked to go back into the lope (or do whatever he was asked to do that lead into his bucking). It REALLY helped. He has not bucked at all since he figured out that it isn't acceptable and he'll just have to keep working no matter how fussy get gets. If you knew him, you'd understand it a little more.. he's overly sensitive to new feelings and it's not just because he's not desensitized--we've done A TON of that stuff--he's not the kind of horse that can be thumped on the sides with your legs or smacked on the butt with a crop to get sensible results.. I can't really explain it... he's oddly "special" and needed a different method of non-bucking training and handling. I just purchased Vitamin B supplements for him and started them yesterday to see if that'll help his touchiness. He's not spooky and affraid of everything.. his skin just seems overly sensitive? My trainer recommended the vitamins after working with him, but I've always known of his not-so-normal issue. Either way, I'll just keep desensitizing (buckets, noises, ropes, scary things, tarps, new places, etc) and maybe the little boost of his vitamin B's will help take that weird edge off. If they don't help, out they go. I think much of this will just come with time, work, and consistency. You can read my update in the new post (I had two threads with folks waiting for the same answer, so I thought it would be better to have everyone post on one thread. (Next time, I'll just stick with one thread, cause the two different ones both ended up going into the same conversation!) The title is "The Results".