Tuff Smoak

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  1. quote: Originally posted by illinois racer: Hey tuff...I hope your spine problem doesn't stop ya!! Sounds like we may have a little of the same problems. I too, am having a BIG problem with my spine, neck and joints...and at the ripe old age of 35. Thanks, hopefully it won't anytime soon if I have anything to say about it. I've been dealing with it since I was 12 and I'm soon to be 52. Every year I seem to encounter a new challenge and every year the tack catalogs seem to have an answer to my newest of challenge. i.e of late. the super duper padded seat covers to absorb some of the impact. I'm only working 5 horses a day now but that seat is still a blessing in the making. The rain has come to an end finally so back to the daily grind I go. Best of luck with your health in the future to come.
  2. quote: Originally posted by illinois racer: Nope, on the spurs and whip. I do use a tie down IF necessary, but that sure doesn't help ME keep my butt in the saddle. There you go different strokes for different folks. I'll hustle a horse up with an over and under or whip, I'll use a spur to yield the shoulder or ribs in a turn, I cringe heavily at the thought of putting a tiedown on anything and I will use a magic seat to keep my butt in the saddle when the day does come. How much better does it get than two opposing views. Have a nice evening and hope you feel better soon.
  3. I guess what I consider common verses what you consider common would be different if you put numbers to it. To me common simply meaning not unusual anymore. The first time I really took notice of how often the magic seat was being used was at a super show of over 600 open riders and I actually had time to sit and watch between draws. I remember thinking, wow the magic seat sure has gotten popular. To me that constituted common because I noticed how many riders were using it and to what caliber compared to years ago. If you denote common by numbers then it would not be common to you, agreed. As far as the rider who designed it??I can guarantee you anyone that knows her or of her would never ever accuse her of short cutting the ride and that basically sums it up. Really as barrel racers what have we become when we start judging other barrel racers by our own personal standards anyway and assuming they could have done better or tried harder. How much better does it get than the NFR? Heck if it?s judged by hours in the saddle and effort, working on the pesky bouncing I should have several world titles, at least one.lol One of my closest friends should be president by now. She makes me look like a slacker. As far as the edge. I?m very competitive and like seeing the pay window. I draw the line at unethical and immoral practices to get me there but I just don?t see a magic seat as crossing that line. It technically is not considered cheating being that it?s not deceptive since it?s used openly and all competitors have the option of using one. When it's banned then I will consider it cheating especially when I see someone with black jeans trying to sneak one in.lol We have opposing views all the way around and that is what makes debates or discussions interesting. A magic seat is not for you. I totally respect your views. I have a debilitating spinal disease and pride won?t let me call it quits. To me I?m just the opposite that the magic seat may eventually open a door to me that otherwise would have been closed. I wish you luck in your fact finding mission and hope you get the answers you are looking for. [ 10-25-2007, 01:18 AM: Message edited by: Tuff Smoak ]
  4. Again the magic seat was not designed to strap in little kids on high powered horses to run around like a robotic monkey on a camel nor was it designed for 5 year olds to ride the family plug. It was not designed to keep a less than skillful person in the saddle that was still over mounted on a slow moving plow horse with one foot in the grave either and it was not designed to develop artificial riding abilities. I don't debate that whatsoever. It will also not keep you in the saddle on a hard running hard turning horse especially if you couldn't sit that horse to begin with. It will however for the purpose intended help you to get that little bit of extra in timing, response, reflex, direction, balance, coordination, etc with that hard turning, hard running horse. In the turn you can feel the velcro pull loose and attach, you can even hear it on video as well.lol Just that little bit of hesitation given to rider by the give and take of the velcro can result in the difference between taking home the number one spot over the reserve. Timing, barrel racing is all about shutting off the clock and every little bit that gives you that edge counts.
  5. It was not a personal attack but a simple observation. If you hit the larger super shows on a frequent basis you would note that the magic seat is not uncommon at all, not even by the big dogs. The big dog pool is huge, not just the CJ's. And I honestly don't think you get what I mean by "edge'. Seriously. Striving to reach an edge has nothing to do with trying to stay in the saddle. You continue to elude to the fact that if someone is using a magic seat they lack the ability to stay in the saddle....which you would also know is untrue if you ran against a large majority of the big dogs on a frequent basis. If you choose to hang up your spurs the day you feel you need a magic seat that is your decision. I have never ever in my lifetime used a magic seat. Will I if I ever feel I need that edge with a certain horse? You bet if it is the difference between me hanging up my spurs and being able to compete. I'm not insecure about my riding ability. Just the opposite therefore the use of a magic seat doesn't intimidate me. Also you still cannot continue to debate the magic seat without facts. You mention someone being paid to ride in it, etc. The magic seat was developed by a single rider for a single purpose brought on by a single hard running, hard turning machine that the likes of us will probably never see in our lifetime. She designed it and rode it in for a self purpose. Edited just in case...... [ 10-24-2007, 09:57 PM: Message edited by: Tuff Smoak ]
  6. quote: Originally posted by illinois racer: That may be so, but i don't see it becoming the "thing to do". If someone paid me enough money, heck i'd use one! Do you hit many large barrel races? It's not uncommon at all. To say these riders need it to stay in the saddle...do you understand what I mean when I say edge? Maybe we mean two different things. Edited so as not to sound like a personal attack, hopefully. [ 10-24-2007, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: Tuff Smoak ]
  7. Lol the original magic seat was developed by an NFR qualifier that set an arena record her first trip there........
  8. Oh my on the magic seat. How can you debate it and know so little about it? Yes it releases and no the straps do not wear out from the constant give and release even on the cheaper versions. Or rather I'm sure they do wear out over time but before that happens you've gotten your money's worth. I've seen riders dismount forgetting they are using the magic seat and the straps come with them easily. I've seen riders bucked off with a magic seat and I'm not talking about the break in half buck. I'm talking about the unexpected just about to cross the timer line and the horse gives a happy buck on a fresh cold day and catches the rider off guard buck, crow hop in some cases. Just curious how many here have sat in one much less have seen one up close and personal? How many of you know the actual origin of the magic seat as well as whom developed and why? I can guarantee you that pro rider can and will ride circles around most of her competitors now and then. Yes it's been misused, abused and misrepresented. A 5 year old kid should not have been in one. As far as parents wanting the next Mesa and thinking a magic seat will do it. Good luck. She was born with a talent we could only hope for even as adults. What I've noticed most on these hard turning, hard running horses, for the serious minded barrel racer it is just the "edge" needed to finish off an otherwise strong run. I've seen barrel racing world champions, pro riders and top trainers use it. I have never once, not once heard of another serious minded barrel racer judge them for using one or question their riding skills or consider it cheating. Heck even without the magic seat they still could ride circles around most of their competitors and most of their competitors know it. I would like to see the magic seat debated at the upper level of barrel racing instead of the strapping kids in level. I think it would generate a totally different spin on it. [ 10-24-2007, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Tuff Smoak ]
  9. Spavins... ??

    Research carpal or carpus joint. The true knee of a horse is the stifle (patella) whereas what we call the knee of the horse is actually the carpal or carpus and the attachments, metacarpal/metacarpus. The hock is the tarsus, attachments, metatarsus. Research inflammation of the bursa, sheath, hygroma, seroma, gas pockets, fluid distention, chips, swellings, etc of the carpus.
  10. My little boy...

    Nice horses, IPOP and Doolittle. Doolittle you look familiar, do I know you?
  11. Peps - looking to the rim

    Thanks IPOP. I tried the exercise and was really on familiar ground since I've ridden English, lots of downward transitions, figure eights. Hmmm, somehow it became more difficult when I put it in barrel racing mode. I rode two finished horses and a colt. Well one finished horse did better than I thought, the other one I work on standing up was so, so and really started off sort of hissy about it, the colt was a hoot. It was like riding a tricycle with a flat tire. But we ventured into the lope eventually, lots more work there for sure. Thanks again, it was refreshingn to use something different.
  12. Peps - looking to the rim

    Hey IPOP, I’ve got a 16 hand paint that really wants to lean and set hard in his turns. I use to spend more time correcting than riding. That was until Saturday. I’ve been riding regularly with a girl that really believes in making a horse stand up in their turns and drive. She does what you do with the barrels by stopping with the hip in. Also she does a lot of 4 barrels or funnel type barrels making the horse stand up and drive. Lots and lots of collection work. It wears me out. But it has really made a difference in him. I never knew something so big could snap so hard. Anyway I will quit jabbering and ask, I’m looking for some new exercises and just wondering if you have any to reinforce the stand up and drive? Maybe someone else on here has some? Oh, I do squares too.
  13. Peps - looking to the rim

    quote: Originally posted by Image: That was pretty low. Feel better now? I did add to the discussion approximately 2 pages ago, what's the point of being repetitious? Edited my post because I really wasn't going for a low blow I really thought you knew it was common knowledge. As to to the thread, what's the point of the are you kidding, you don't get it post? Really if you've discussed it out then let it go. The other post are pointless. As for the leaners, the setty horses, the horses that run pockets, teardrops, axis points I'm not argue that you can take them and start running Kelly's method. You really have to go back and think of training the shape, holding the shape, not about distance, then add a rider that can ride this style. For that reason I do not agree that some of these horses can't be taught the method or the right jockey. I also still say a setty, leaning horse is so because it either lacks honesty, ability, training or jockey so therefore looking to the rim in this instance would not be possible under any circumstance unless you were able to change the predispostion. I know I have two really setty ones. But they are rode looking to the rim and manage to do fine when the correct rider is on them. Robin [ 05-02-2007, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: Tuff Smoak ]
  14. Peps - looking to the rim

    quote: Originally posted by illinois racer: It does bring you in closer and out closer to the barrel. You've got that right. I tried it Saturday and almost chickened out going to the third because my horse was coming in so close. But he actually came off much tighter and snappier than ever before. My son and daughter have always looked to the rim or can and run circles around me in the averages so I thought what to heck. Jury is still out though.