Katie Schuur

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  1. Stupid Parents!

    Apparently after exchanging emails with Fugly, she posted the video to her website as well. And wire - I am going to have to quote Fugly on this one, because she seems to convey the same message that I would have liked to convey in response to your post. Here's what she said: "Yes, the horse did it deliberately and no, he is not a bad horse. He is a horse who was being annoyed by a small and noisy thing. I doubt it registered on him that the small, noisy thing was a human. It seemed to him to be a small, noisy animal, and when it kept coming after him after he had told it very clearly in horse-ese that he did not wish to be disturbed, he smooshed it to make it stop. He didn?t stumble, and I don?t see that the other horse threatened him. He smooshed it to make it stop which was a perfectly normal reaction for a herd animal being attacked by a small, noisy animal that might be something like a dog that could bite him." - Fugly Horse Of The Day. My thoughts exactly. [Not Worthy] [Not Worthy]
  2. Stupid Parents!

    Okay I got around to it and emailed Fugly the link, and I've had quite an entertaining exchange of emails with her tonight :) So let's just say that she's definitely opinionated on this matter, LOL!
  3. Stupid Parents!

    Both video links are still working, but the second one is kind of touchy. Try the link once again. And to answer your question on why people are stupid - I have no idea, LOL! All I know is that God loves stupid people, which must be why he made so many of them. [Crazy]
  4. Stupid Parents!

    Here's another fine example of a horse losing his patience with a kid, after the kid punched the horse in the gut. No lead rope, no halter, doing I-don't-know-what with a person holding the video camera: Now again, I have no idea what events led up to this, but I find myself wondering where the parents were, and why they would allow a child to handle the horse improperly. SUPERVISE YOUR KIDS and teach them how to correctly handle a horse!!!!! I learned the hard way when it came to supervising kids with horses (I know everyone must remember the lead-rope incident with my teenage son) but he knew better - that's the difference. I think that obviously these kids don't know any better, or they are getting ROTTEN advice/training from their parents. I also fear that with the economy in the crapper and horses going to new homes for next to nothing, there are more and more first-time horse owners who may be exposing their naive' children to horses, resulting in many more instances just like these, and unfortunately it'll be the horse that is blamed in the end. He'll be labeled "dangerous" by the ignorant new owners, and we all know the unfortunate path a horse can take with that label.
  5. Stupid Parents!

    It's a blog that is written online called "Fugly horse of the day". I don't know if I'm allowed to post a link, but you should be able to google it.
  6. Hi Ya! Just An Introduction

    Welcome to HC! And by the way, if that buckskin of yours comes up missing, don't look in my pasture :D
  7. Stupid Parents!

    We are kind of at a disadvantage though, for the fact that we can't see everything that happened up until this point. Who knows - at first perhaps the horse DID turn to her and allow her to pet him, etc. He may have allowed her to pet on him and then got tired of it - we don't know. The video begins with the child calling out the horse's name (Unintelligible) and saying "stop". Then chasing him around, saying his name and telling him to "stop". We don't know how long this exchange was going on before the horse finally had enough. When I first ran across this video, my thought process went a little something like this: "What is that little girl doing out there" "Oh good grief! She's trying to act like Mommy by putting her hands on her hips and talking sternly to the horse, the parents think it's cute so decided to film it" "GET THAT KID OUT OF THERE ALREADY!!" "STUPID PARENTS! HELLO!!!!!" And then finally: "See... That's what ya get... a hurt kid. Bravo - give yourselves a parenting trophy". But again, we honestly have no idea what events took place up until then. The move that the horse decided to make was a non-lethal one (as opposed to a kick or trampling her) so therefore he really is a good boy. No telling how long he put up with it from her.
  8. Barn Fires

    I have to second the fact that you should never store your hay in your barn... When I lived in Alabama I had to board my horse because I didn't have land. The barn was undergoing a management change, and I had the option of keeping my horse where he was, or moving him to a different barn where the old barn manager was moving to. I opted to stay put, which was a huge blessing. The other barn was FULL of saddlebred show horses, with a hay loft above them. This barn was definitely a fixer-upper, but they were making it a full-time job to do so (painting it, cleaning it, scrubbing it, etc.). The farm hand was out in the field burning old branches and debris, and an ember flew up into the air and somehow ignited the hay in the hay loft. The barn manager and farm hand were throwing themselves into the outdoor water troughs, going into the barn to rescue horses. None of the horses had halters on, and they kept all the halters and leads in the tack room. They didn't have time to grab all the halters and leads, put the halters on each horse and lead them out, so they opened the stall doors and sent them running out of the barn. Some of the horses didn't want to leave their stall, and others left the barn but turned right back around and went back INTO the fully engulfed barn. In the end 8 horses died, out of the 28 horses that were there. After reflecting on this, there are a lot of things that could have prevented this from happening: - Don't store your hay in your barn. - Keep halters/leads for each horse right by their stall door. - HAVE A PLAN. Designate a pasture to turn them out into, or a sturdy outdoor railing to tie them to. Remember, most of these horses ran right back into the barn.
  9. My Trail Ride Shocker!

    The first horse I ever owned - an appaloosa - had the biggest freak-out on a trail once because of a gopher turtle. He started getting jiggy and snorting, etc.. once he saw the turtle in the middle of the trail, then did a complete 180 and bolted back the other direction. I have no idea how I stayed on.. Fast-forward a few years (Okay a DECADE, LOL!!).. I was riding Sky a few days ago near a park, and the swingset had to be the scariest thing he's ever seen. He was such a good boy though, he only did a half-spin without bolting.
  10. Anyone Else A Nervous Horse Hauler?

    I love it! LOL! I also saw this sticker on the back of a 2 horse BP: "Get any closer, we'll poop on your hood". Funniest thing ever, especially since all you saw were two horse rear-ends anyways, LOL!
  11. New Pics Of Goldie & Remedy!

    Hey You!!! Sure have missed ya :) I love the pics of the horsies, but I NEED pics of your baby boy! I haven't seen him yet :) Also, I wanted to mention that I just saw an ad on the Stillwater CL under farm/garden where someone is wanting to offer free board at a really nice barn in exchange for some part-time stable help. I don't know if that interests you or not, but it is located in Stillwater and it might save you a little bit of $$. Glad you're doing good, and it's great to hear from you again!
  12. My son learned a huge lesson today: LISTEN to what Mom has always told you. We are currently under a winter storm warning with snow expected to hit Oklahoma within the next 24 hours. So when I woke up this morning I asked my 15 year old son to groom the horses and blanket Tuff and Sky. He has done this a million times, and I didn't feel that he needed to be supervised. A little time goes by, I'm sitting on the couch in my robe and then I hear my son SCREAMING for me in the back yard. "MOM! MOM! MOM!". I run to the back yard to find Tuff is strangling himself on a lead rope that my son simply clipped around his neck without a halter tied to a tree, panicking, falling to the ground and strangling/hanging himself the more and more he panicked. I race to the tree he's tied to to pull the quick-release knot, only to find my son didn't tie a quick release knot. [shocked] Since the lead rope was simply clipped around his neck, the harder he pulled the more he was strangling himself. [shocked] I yelled at my son to bring me a knife NOW!!! He ran in a panic into the kitchen, yanked a knife out of the carving block and bolted back outside. He cut that lead rope with one single panicked swipe, releasing all pressure on Tuff. Tuff simply walked 2 feet away and started grazing. I then turned to my son, and I can only imagine the evil look I had to have given him at the time because he immediately started crying and apologizing. I said "How many times have I told you NEVER to lead a horse by simply throwing the lead rope around his neck?" Answer: "I know, I know!!! I'm so sorry!" I continue: " And then you TIE HIM LIKE THAT!!!! Without a quick-release knot on top of it!!!!" Answer: "I only wanted to tie him there for a second long enough for me to get his halter". This was one of the scariest situations I've ever seen. I was watching my horse kill himself, due to the absolute negligence of his handler. My son knew better. He knew to always use a halter. He knew to always tie a quick-release knot. But to his own admission - he got lazy. I had to make sure Tuff didn't have any type of internal injuries, so that's why I had Dr. Pitts stop by give him a look-over. And guess who gets to pay the vet bill out of his allowance money?? Dr. Pitts said he should be okay (thank goodness) but to continue to monitor him for the next few hours just in case. Tuff is doing fine tonight. He ate and drank his food without any problems at all. If you looked at him you'd never know it happened. But I know it happened..... So I had my son watch over Tuff for the better part of 5 hours this evening out in the barn, conveniently right about the same time the super-bowl was on t.v. - I mean after all, it was Dr.'s orders. This was a hard and scary lesson for my son to learn, and an experience that I'm sure he won't soon forget in the many years ahead that he'll be around horses. I learned a few lessons today as well as a parent.
  13. My Son Got Lazy And Almost Killed My Horse Today.

    Thank you soooo much... Everyone here is just the greatest, and you've all been so wonderful ever since day one when I posted here seeking help for this tiny, skinny little orphan about a year ago. You've all been there for me %100 of the way. Today the weather was a little bit better, and to top it off - Paul came home from school in the best mood ever. THE "Amber" said she'd be his valentine. Yes - I mean THE Amber. The girl he hasn't stopped talking about since she sat down next to him in art class last year. So he's a pretty happy camper, and I told him I'd help him out in the valentine department as far as she's concerned, LOL! Tuff had a great day as well. He played with his favorite toy for over an hour. Yep- over an hour!!!! LOL! I saw him playing with it when I was making breakfast, and then lunchtime rolled around and there he was.. Standing in the pasture still holding on to this ridiculous stick. [Crazy] This morning, showing me his stick: About 30 minutes later, still walking around with that danged stick, giving me a "You can't have this stick" look: And again over an hour later, just standing there in the pasture holding the best thing ever invented (In his mind anyway). ETA: Scratch that... It's now 6 PM here and he still has this stick........ I wish I could just take a peek into the mind of a horse for one day, because I'd really love to know what's so special about that stick, LOL! I'm sorry he looks so scruffy in these pics in his "winter woolies". You can also see how dis-proportionate he is in his growth right now. He's pretty "downhill" so I am hoping he'll fill out and level-out after spring arrives. Currently he measures 14.2 at the rump, and the "string test" says that he should mature to about 15.3 - 16 Hands. I'll have to report later on about how accurate that might be. We'll just have to wait and see..
  14. My Son Got Lazy And Almost Killed My Horse Today.

    Thank you so much for all of your responses - I've enjoyed reading them. I'll never get the images out of my head though of Tuff in that situation. I felt so helpless for a moment, standing there saying "Tuff, NO! Tuff, NO!!" And then a light-bulb went off in my head and I told my son to get the knife. Yesterday I didn't really bring the subject up with my son. I kind of gave him a day to spend alone with his thoughts without me bringing it all back up. He spent a lot of the day watching the Superbowl that I had recorded with the DVR, and since I never told him the outcome it was a lot of fun watching him cheer for the Saints, and laughing at the commercials. I then took him with me to Hastings because I told him that I wanted to buy a new Lady Antebellum music CD for myself (knowing this was one he was going to buy himself with allowance money). But today was a different day and the horses needed to be groomed again. I started putting my boots on to go outside, and I stopped myself. I called my son into the living room and asked him to please groom Sky and Tuff while I do the dishes in the kitchen. His face was BEAMING!! He seemed so happy that I asked him to groom the horses! I then said to him "Paul, I know I can trust you to do a good job with the horses. You're a good little horseman". I noticed his chin started quivering and his eyes were welling up, as if that was the one thing he needed to hear me say the most. He then held his head as high as he possibly could and headed out the door. I'll admit I peeked at him through the kitchen window a couple of times though, LOL! But there was one question I'd been meaning to ask him all this time, and I'd just been waiting for the right moment. I asked him how come he didn't run into the house real quick to get me, instead of standing there screaming for me - freaking the horse out even more during that situation. He said it was because as soon as he realized what he had done, he wedged his hand in between the horse's neck and the rope trying to relieve the pressure on Tuff. Unfortunately though, it only managed to put him in danger of losing his hand once Tuff started panicking. He said it wasn't until the moment I got out there that he had freed himself. Now I kinda wish I didn't ask that question. I love my horses, but love isn't a strong enough word for how I feel about my kids. This could have turned out much, much worse than what it did - so I am saying a lot of thankful prayers tonight. I debated whether or not to even post this thread. I kind of didn't want to feel like I was airing our dirty laundry. But now I'm really, really glad that I did. Many of you have posted responses, but many more have read this post as well. It's awesome to know that someone may remember this story next time they tie their horse(s) up :)
  15. My Son Got Lazy And Almost Killed My Horse Today.

    Exactly Andi. My son is 15, and has been handling and caring for our horses for many, many years. He definitely knows better, because over and over again he's heard me "preach" about what to do and what not to do, and as of lately I've been cut-off mid-speach with an eye roll and a "I know, I know, blah blah blah". So when this happened I felt I had every right to get angry with him. I did not punish him in anger. I did not punish him AT ALL in my opinion. I don't really punish my kids, I only ask that they are responsible for their own actions. It was his mistake which lead to the vet call, he should have to pay for it. The vet recommended the horse be monitored - he should have to monitor the horse. Now if I made him pay for the vet and watch over the horse AND ground him for a week - THAT in my opinion would be excessive. Regardless of who's horse it actually IS - if I was boarding my horses at a barn and the BO made a mistake which injured my horse and resulted in a vet call you can bet that BO would be footing the bill. It's just a matter of responsibility.
  16. My Son Got Lazy And Almost Killed My Horse Today.

    This incident may have only lasted a couple minutes at the most, but it seemed like it took forever to free him, LOL! Each time he would fall to the ground, stand back up again and fall to the ground again, all the while with the slip-knot SOOOO tight around his neck - my biggest fear was that he was going to break his neck. Reinnin - I think it's pretty interesting that you teach your horses to tie with a rope around their necks, but I doubt it was with a slip-knot/noose that was double-knotted to a tree (at least I hope not). As far as new pictures of Tuff, I haven't taken any within the past week or so, but I have these to share: Sky and Tuff a couple weeks ago during the recent snowstorm: Tuff as a yearling (approximately 13 months old in this photo) a few weeks ago before all the really nasty weather kept coming in waves, LOL!:
  17. My Gelding Did What!?

    Geldings attempting to mount mares isn't too unheard of. In fact some geldings will try to mount other geldings in order to show dominance. And geldings will show "stallion-like" behaviors at times as well. A few years back in a barn I was boarding at there was a 19 year old gelding who was gelded as a yearling. To say that this older gelding was calm would be a complete understatement. This horse acted like he was practically dead half the time. In the stall next to him was a mare who was his best buddy and pasture mate that he was completely bonded to. But this particular night, something snapped in Tyler's brain (the gelding) because his best-friend mare had just foaled. This "gelding" showed HUGE stallion instincts, and he was trying to jump the stall divider to get to the foal. The mare was running at the stall divider and kicking at the gelding, making an awful "BAM!" every time her hoof would make contact with the wooden stall divider - putting the newborn foal in danger of being trampled by his own dam, and putting the mare in danger of injuring her leg while she was trying to protect him. We didn't have time to clearly think this through on how we should handle the situation, so we acted on instinct as well. There were two of us there at the time watching the foaling (mare's owner and myself). She dove in and got the foal out of the stall in 2 seconds flat. At the same time, I went into the Tyler's pen and started to try to remove his two front hooves that he had perched on top of the stall divider in order to bring him back down to my level so I could halter him. I got him haltered and immediately took him outside (in the dark mind you) to the high-walled round pen they had out there. We fought the whole time I was leading him, and he even tried to cow-kick me. I tossed him into that round pen and let him have his bucking/snorting/kicking/rearing fit. We then re-united mom and baby after she had calmed down and all was good again, but my goodness that was a hairy situation to be in. Needless to say, from that point forward the gelding was stalled on the opposite end of the barn, as far away from mom and baby as possible. Moral of the story: Basic instinct can far out-weigh the current level of testosterone a gelding may have.
  18. Possible Free Horse

    Okay let me see if I understand this. You gave this horse to another boarder who had been paying the horse's board for the past two years. The person you gave the horse to 2 years ago can no longer afford the board. Now it's been 4 months since the barn owner has recieved any board on this horse. Barn owner approached you and asked you if you'd like to have the horse back (and basically begin paying it's board on top of your own horse's board). Did you ask her if she's wanting you to pay the amount she is currently owed on this horse? Any barn owner would want to recoup those losses, which is most likely why she mentioned the sale barn. You can't afford board for two horses, so you are looking for someone else to take this horse on. Sorry to be blunt, but unfortunately it is not your horse to give away. Regardless of if you never had the papers transferred to this other girl two years ago, you GAVE the horse to her, she paid to board this horse for 2 years, and you moved to another barn. It would be different if this was a lease arrangement. Currently this horse belongs to the barn owner, especially since the barn owner has had to eat the board bill on this horse for the past 4 months. If the barn owner was smart she'd request the registration papers from you. If you can take on another boarding bill then great :) If you can find another person who is willing to pay for board on this horse at the facility it is currently at then I'm sure the barn owner would love to speak with them. I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the ultimate decision regarding what happens next with this horse is the barn owner's and the barn owner's only to make.
  19. Per the CL ad posted today: After the mare died at birth- the foal was transported (in back seat of my husbands truck) 75 miles to emergency clinic where it received colostrum. Then next day it was then taken again ( in back seat of truck...... WHEW! ) to OSU-Stillwater Vet school where it recived plasma to increase its antibodies and immune system,. We've nicknamed him "LITL' Hot Rod", is now over a week old and doing great and we intend to bring him home next week. Whether he takes to nursing doesnt matter - he now has a new family to bond to. Thanks to all the kind people out in craigslist.....we have found a surigate mare- (she has a 3wk foal- but takes any foals)
  20. Is It Really Ganging Up On Someone?

    It all depends on the individual situation.... If two people say something to me I don't want to hear - it's absolutely "ganging up" and "bullying" me. Now if I have something to say to others that they don't want to hear and someone else agrees with me - I'm simply stating my opinion and they are taking it all wrong!! My point is that some people who feel that they have no other option but to consider that they may have been wrong about something - would prefer to pull the "They are ganging up on me" card instead of admitting their own faults. And denying or arguing with others in order to make excuses for your erroneous actions or habits will only increase the number of new recruits in the army that has "ganged up" on you. There should be a new rule/commandment for posting: Please do not post if you are only curious to find out what all of your subordinate and completely unknowledgeable fellow horse owners have to say.
  21. I wanted to sell a large aquarium that I had so that I could buy a western saddle. In this economy, nobody was biting on the aquarium, so I took this one woman's offer. She offered to trade me this saddle and I took it in trade hoping to sell it and buy a western saddle. Problem is - I KNOW NOTHING about english saddles, so I have no idea what a fair asking price for this would be. Here's the information she gave me about the saddle. Crosby Prix Des Nations Spring Seat 16.5". The rivets say Crosby England, there is a maker's mark plate that says "Crosby And Co. LTD, Olympic Works", and on the underside of the flaps it is stamped (although very faintly) Prix Des Nations Spring Seat with the Crosby stamped logo. The tree measures approximately 11 inches across from tree point to tree point, which would equal approximately 28.2 cms. She told me it has moderate 3/4" knee rolls - but after trying to do some research online I simply don't see where the knee rolls are! LOL! Can someone please verify that it even has any? Includes matching Crosby stamped leathers, irons that say "Miller's made in england size large", and a nice thick matching leather girth. There are some letters that seem to make no sense at all (Model number perhaps) stamped into the metal stirrup rigging (where you run your leathers through). She told me that this saddle is very old but in good useable condition. There is however a scratch on the seat that does NOT go all the way through the leather, and there is a name plate that can be removed and replaced. Please tell me how much you think it's worth so I would know how to proceed with marketing it. I'd also like to know if this saddle is a piece of junk, or if Crosby's are worth their weight in gold. Thank you!
  22. Please Tell Me What This Saddle Is Worth.

    Sorry, I know the picture of the maker's mark plate is not a good one, for some reason my camera doesn't take good up-close pictures.
  23. My Mare Was Seen By The Vet Today Its An Abscess

    I'll help you any way that I possibly can... And that's the cold-hard honest truth. I want to see this mare fully recovered. My heart aches for her right now. I just really wish that a farrier can get out there immediately, because it has now been 8 days since the trimming was done. Please continue to keep us updated.
  24. My Mare Was Seen By The Vet Today Its An Abscess

    I need to make it VERY clear to you that earlier on when I was questioning the vet bill it was FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! I honestly thought that vet was ripping you off, and I didn't want that to happen to you. I was merely trying to state that never, ever have I had a vet come out - simply clean up an abscess - and charge me $500 to do it. If you thought someone was being taken advantage of wouldn't you want to speak up about it??? HC is a wonderful place to find helpful, knowledgeable people who can HELP. But please don't start asking for help and then turning around and not do a SINGLE thing that has been suggested to you. WHERE ARE THE RADIOGRAPHS? WHY are you waiting 10 days to get them done? Where are the newest updated full-body-shot pictures of the horse? Please understand that these are things we need to have and to see in order to help you move forward! - Edited this whole paragraph out because it very well may have gotten me banned -. A helpful link for you: http://www.hoofabscess.com/ It says the shoe needs to be pulled for one... Another helpful link: http://hoofrecovery.blogspot.com/2009/09/a...-revisited.html It says your horse needs to be barefoot. A whole page full of farriers in Arizona with their phone numbers: http://horses-arizona.com/pages/farriers.html Another whole page full of farriers in Arizona with their phone numbers: http://www.arizonastatefarriersassociation.com/members.html Oh and to answer your question about WHY the vet told you to keep the shoe on - it was because you didn't have an easyboot and padding at the time.
  25. It's A New H C Club! Very Exclusive Membership

    Oh boy Mudder! LOL! I never really looked at it that way before :) I better change my siggy pic right away :)