Katie Schuur

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  1. My husband has been working in Las Vegas, and we decided to board Sky and Tuff over the summer at a nice stable here in Tulsa so I can spend some time with the hubby in vegas. There is a kind woman at the barn who approached me about Tuff, telling me she shows paints and pintos and would love the chance to see how Tuff does in some local small-time shows. I was floored, surprised and I told her that I have NEVER, EVER even shown a horse not even once! LOL! She said she'd show me some of the ropes. That being said, she is going to put him in a couple classes in October - halter being one of them. We'll have to cross our fingers and see how he does :) I'm not expecting much at all, but it'll be a good experience for Tuff.

    So here's an updated pic of Tuff. He is now about a year and a half old, and measures 14 hands at the withers. Just thought I'd share his progress with everyone:

    Tuff1.jpg


  2. I am going to have to pasture board Tuff and Sky for the months of June and July, and perhaps the first couple weeks of August because I am taking a rather extensive vacation. I will be going to Las Vegas and Los Angeles to spend time with my husband as he is working out of state.

    I am looking for a place where I can pasture board Sky and Tuff together, with safe fencing, plentiful grass and some sort of shelter (lean-to). I would like to find a place where I can provide the feed, and someone feeds them for me while I am gone.

    Anyone know a place that you could recommend in the Tulsa or nearby surrounding areas?


  3. Here's a quick little list of things you should ask:

    1) Can I use my OWN vet, farrier or trainer ?

    2) If they have an arena - are there certain times you CAN'T use it? Some barns even make you schedule times when you can use the arena, or they have certain times set aside that you are not able to use it such as when they are giving lessons, etc.

    3) Who do they contact first in case of serious injury/emergency - vet or owner?

    4) Are mares and geldings kept separate in turn-out, or do they just combine the entire herd?

    5) Is there someone on-site 24/7?

    6) Can I bring friends/family to the barn to ride my horse (provided they sign a waiver)?

    7) Will they feed my horse the supplements that I provide?

    8) Exactly which people will be handling my horse? i.e: Grooming, leading, feeding, cleaning his/her stall, etc... Do you have any rules regarding who CANNOT handle my horse? Nothing irritated me more than when I showed up at the barn a few years back to find a fellow boarder INSIDE my horse's stall feeding him treats and petting on him because he was "soooo cute".

    9) What is your pet policy? Don't ya just LOVE it when so-and-so shows up at the barn with her 15 un-leashed little yippin' dogs?

    10) The most important question of ALL... Is there a bathroom? [surrender]


  4. The first Appaloosa I owned was a 10 year old grandson of the famous arabian Ivanhoe Tsultan. His registered name was Hezacostlydiamond. We called him Diamond for short. He was a flea-bitten gray with black spots on his rear, some larger than others. I LOVED this horse. He was my son's best friend, and taught him to ride. Paul was only about 8 years old at the time, and rode him everywhere! He would pick out his feet, groom him and bathe him without any trouble at all. On the trails, Diamond never once spooked at anything with Paul on his back. But for some reason whenever I rode Diamond he would spook at anything and everything, LOL!

    When I got divorced I had to sell him so I could get a car. It was the most painful experience I ever had to go through, and as they were loading him up and I was bawling my eyes out, they swore to me that I would get him back should they choose to sell him again. My son still talks about that day and how much he misses Diamond - his "first" horse and best friend. A couple years later I ran a google search on his registered name, and I found a for sale ad that was a year or so old. In the ad they said their young daughter wanted to sell him so she could buy herself a "show horse". I emailed them and got no response, and the trail went cold. On occasion I still google his registered name, but find nothing. And now that he's about 21 or so, I fear he may not be around anymore.

    I love Appaloosas, even though Diamond was the last appy that we owned. He did have his stubborn moments, such as when he didn't want to go forward for whatever reason he would just start backing up. He'd back you up straight into a ditch and didn't care. The harder you pushed him to go forward, the harder he'd resist. HOWEVER... He more than made up for this on many occasions with his gentle nature towards my son. He literally CHOSE my son as his rider, and did everything he could to take care of him. I love him and always will.

    My son and Diamond (I know - no helmet, but I just kind of put him up there real quick for the picture):

    PaulandDiamond.jpg


  5. OMG YAY! I love that you are all quoting me prices that don't seem too steep at all. I might just go ahead and have it done already. I was sure that I would have to sell a kidney or something to raise the cash for his surgery. I'm going to call around and get some price quotes from various vets in our area. Although Tuff has his regular vet, if I can save a couple hundred or even one hundred allowing a different vet to do it - I just might. I know some people are "vet loyal", but I'm not. If my horse was seriously injured at 3 AM in the morning and my vet doesn't return my call, or says he's too far away to get there at a reasonable time - I'm calling another dang vet, LOL!

    This morning when I checked to see how everyone was doing, I also went over to the fenceline to see the mare in the adjacent pasture. Her wound looks better today (from what I could tell) however she is still limping. After talking with her owner yesterday, I'm confident she's getting the care she needs though.


  6. My point is that there are laws in most states about the type of fencing stallions need to be kept in. That applies to the neighbor's stud...and yours.

    But you can look up the laws in your area and call the authorities. Because electric fence is not going to stop a stud if they want to be somewhere, and there's nothing to stop him from coming into your pasture as well.

    Bumper

    Oh i see :) I took ya wrong, LOL! This is a situation that has me on the fence about what to do about Tuff at this point. I AM going to get him gelded, everyone can bet on that, but I am at a crossroads here as far as the fact that his second testicle has not dropped yet. I am probably going to go ahead and just fence-off a large section of my pasture that does not share any common fenceline with the neighboring horses, and allow Tuff to stay in that pasture until the second one drops. I want to give it time to drop, because I don't want him to have to have surgery if he doesn't have to. Now if in 6 months when he becomes a 2 year old the other one hasn't dropped - I'll go ahead and have it surgically removed. So I am giving him until his 2nd birthday to drop it.


  7. Contact all horse owners involved and figure out it.

    However, it's the responsibility of stallion owners to contain their horses where they can NOT get at others. That includes you. You are just as guilty as the owner of the other stud, or more so because they are ignorant of the fact and you are not.

    Bumper

    I agree that I am responsible for Tuff, which is why I REMOVED him from that pasture and have kept him separated ever since. The other stallion owner though who seems to think they have a gelding and can't be told otherwise - I can't help them (I tried) and I can't be held responsible for their stallion simply because I happen to know it's a stallion.


  8. Quick update: My son came in and told me that the mare's owners were out at their pasture tending to their mare, and the mare appeared to be injured. So I gathered up all my horsey-med supplies and headed over there to see if they needed any help, not to mention meet them face-to-face and have that important conversation with them that I've been meaning to have. When I got there, I noticed a middle-aged woman and her young daughter (about 8 yrs old.). They were doctoring a pretty serious leg wound on their mare. They were some distance from me, so I yelled "Do you need to use any of my supplies?" And she yelled back "No thank you, we have everything we need." So taking that as kind of a brush-off, I told myself that I at least have to let them know that stallion has been trying to breed her before I leave. So I yelled "Just wanted to let you know that stallion has been trying to breed your mare!". That seemed to break the ice. She brought her mare over to me, and the mare was limping terribly. The mare had a awful injury on the front leg. The whole pastern area was blood red, and the owner told me that the injury was on the back of the pastern.

    We had a very long, friendly conversation. She said she was aware the stallion was trying to breed her mare, and she said she is going to be installing an electric fence. She also told me that if her mare turns-up pregnant, the stallion's owners will be getting a vet bill. I also explained to her that the stallion's owners will argue with her over the fact that he is a stallion.

    Nobody knows how the mare injured herself today, we can only speculate - but I told her that I am willing to help her any way I possibly can. I told her that I am giving her an open invitation to come to me for whatever she may need at any time.

    So I feel horribly the mare ended up injuring herself, but I feel closure at the same time knowing that the mare's owner is fully aware of the entire scope of everything going on, and can now take it from here. I feel I can rest now! [Angel]


  9. Well Heidi... You state that the stallion could be gelded and in reality that mare could be spayed so that is not a very convincing argument for a stallion owner. I would not put my stallion out in a field with mares next to it... I also would not put my mare out if the stallion was in the field next to it. i would probally be annoyed at the stallion owner for shoving his horse out there between pastures but they are free to do whatever they want with their property.

    Thank you for your reply, but I think you were meaning to talk to me rather than Heidi, LOL! But you see, the stallion owner did not shove their horse out there between pastures. The stallion as well as my two horses have been in their two adjacent pastures for a couple of years. It was the owner of the new mare who decided to rent the pasture right next to ours and our neighbor's, and place their mare there. So here's what I am questioning... If you were in the mare owner's shoes and you were going to rent a pasture to keep her in, wouldn't you kind of check out the entire situation beforehand and determine if it was right for your mare? As everyone knows, once you unload your horse into the pasture, if it is sharing a fenceline with other horses - those other horses are going to run right over. So WHY did he/she fail to notice that there were not one, but TWO stallions simply sharing a fenceline with the mare? And furthermore, WHY didn't the owner of the mare take immediate precautions to prevent any possible injury to the mare? As I stated before, as soon as I realized what was up I immediately got mine out of there, but I can't keep my horses in the barn forever - and there are just so many questions that I have regarding this situation that kind of fires me up.


  10. Do you realize your colt makes you one of these 'retarded stallion owners' too?

    I feel that I need to clarify the reason that I called these particular people "retarded stallion owners". There is a bit of a backstory here that everyone should be made aware of. Do any of you recall the thread I had made a few months ago about a young horse that had jumped my fenceline that I had found in my pasture one morning? If not, here is the link: http://forums.horsecity.com/index.php?show...=warts&st=0 And please refer to post #36. You see, the horse that jumped into my pasture was the stallion in question right behind my pasture. They swore to me that he was a gelding, and I told them that they were wrong. A couple months ago I had a garage sale, and these neighbors showed up and bought a halter off of me. During our conversation, I asked them cordially if they ever got around to gelding their horse. They insisted that he IS a gelding, because that's what the people told them who they bought him from. I pointed out the two testicles that he should not have if he were gelded, and they said that they didn't think that testicles were actually REMOVED during a gelding procedure. They think that it's more like a vasectomy, where the seminal tubes are simply snipped. I couldn't seem to convince them otherwise. When I was at the fenceline today - I checked (It wasn't that difficult, I just bent down and looked and there they were!!) ... And YEP! DEFINITELY still a stallion. Furthermore, this horse was pacing the fenceline ALL Day. I mean it - ALL Day. His owners live on site, so what responsible horse owner wouldn't want to investigate to see what's up? I saw the lights on in their house. I saw the truck parked in the driveway. I knew at some point they would (or SHOULD) attempt to feed him. So you would think they would have realized that removing him from that particular situation would have been warranted. But nope.... So I think that my use of the word "retarded stallion owner" in this situation was fairly warranted, LOL!

    I knew what my own horse "Tuff" was capable of at his young age, and immediately removed him. But what scares the heck out of me is the fact that these particular neighbors have it lodged in their brain somehow that the seller of their horse did not give them wrong information. Because we all know - sellers would NEVER do that if they wanted to sell their grade weanling colt. And has a vet never come out in all this time to vaccinate, float teeth or anything? You would think the vet would have set them straight. [bang Head] So in reality, I'm dealing with ignorant neighbors and in the meantime I'm doing all I can to keep Tuff out of the equation until his other testicle finally drops. My fence has t-post caps, but the neighbor's fence does not. I am just really torn, because I really do not want to see any of the neighbor's horses get hurt or seriously injured during this ordeal. And if they did - I know I would feel - somehow- someway - responsible and I'd beat myself up for it. I give up....


  11. I'll try to explain this as best as I can. My horses are in a large pasture. Directly behind our pasture is another pasture in which a 3 year old stallion lives, and directly next to us is an old abandoned pasture. That is until today....

    I called my horses to the gate to be fed (by banging on gate) and they normally always come running for food. Not this time. In fact I didn't see them at all. So i went out in the pasture looking for them. They were at the far end of the pasture right at the fenceline of the abandoned pasture next to us, flirting with a new mare that just showed up there today. Problem is she was in heat, and doing everything she could to flirt with Tuff and Sky. Tuff and Sky were both all to happy to accomodate her wishes, but were having trouble trying to get over the fence. Now imagine a big T. My pasture to the right on the underside, the 3 yr. old stallion's pasture on the upper part of the T, and the new mare on the left side. All of them were meeting at the corner posts/crossroads of their adjacent pastures. The mare was instigating all kinds of ****, the stallion was charging the fenceline at my horses, my horses were trying to jump the fence to get to her. *SIGH*. Tuff is 1 1/2 and not gelded yet because they both haven't dropped, so he was perfectly capable of doing the deed. So I ran back to the house and grabbed halters and lead ropes, and led them back to the barn VERY reluctantly on their part. I was having to have each of them trot circles around me just so I could try to control them as I was leading them back. What a PAIN!! And where the HECK did this new mare come from!!! UGH! So after putting my horses in the barn, I asked my neighbor (who has the abandoned pasture) where the horse came from. She said "Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you that our landlord decided to lease the pasture out to someone who needed a place to put their horse".

    So with my horses in the barn, I kept on watching this other 3 year old stallion trying to breed this mare through the fence. None of what I was witnessing was happening on my property, but it was a true moral dilema for me because A) The T-posts dividing the two pastures between stallion and mare were not capped or electrified. B) Unintentional backyard breeding anyone???? C) What would I want someone else to do who is in my position? D) Where the **** were the new mare's owners. E) Where the **** were the stallion's owners????? UGH!!!!! But I just kept telling myself that it is none of my business - only to turn right back around and tell myself that it IS my business because I would never forgive myself if I witnessed one of these two horses seriously injuring themselves on this fenceline and I did nothing to prevent it. So I did what any insane person would do..... I stood out there on my side of the three-way divided pasture with a large lunge whip. That was absolutely no help at all, as the horses just took off further down the fenceline out of the reach of the whip. Mare was winking at stallion, stallion was licking mare's hindquarters, stallion tried to mount mare with fence in between only for mare to walk off JUST out of reach.

    My horses have been in the barn ever since this fiasco, at least long enough for me to sort things out in my head. I think I am going to go to Atwoods tomorrow and buy some hotwire for my section of the fenceline. But unfortunately this won't cover the neighboring Stallion's portion of the fenceline between him and the mare.

    Any suggestions on what I should do? I am really, really ticked-off at this hussy of a mare with crappy conformation (I know I shouldn't be, but her arrival has been a pain in the arse) and I am really angry with the retarded stallion owners.

    What are your opinions on whose responsibility it is to ensure the mare does not get bred? Should it be the responsibility of the stallion owner who had their horse in the same place without a single mare around for the last 3 years and then all of a sudden this mare shows up? Or should it be the responsibility of the mare's owners as they are the newbie, putting their mare in an old abandoned pasture which happens to border the pastures of two stallions?

    HELP!! :) Advice sorely needed. Thanks!


  12. What color halter do you think i should get Derek everyone?

    I still cant think of a color!! I found out he fits in my Cob Sized leather halter, but he barely fits in a average horse nylon halter. Whats with that? ha ha ha

    I'm thinking a dark/hunter green but im not sure. Any ideas!?

    Whenever I ask myself this same question, I always go here: http://www.snafflez.com/horsemaker/horsemaker_w.html

    All you do is choose your horse's color, and then drag all of the different colored tack onto the body of the horse to get an idea of what they'd look good in :) You can even customize it by dragging/adding white body markings etc. It's a fun place, and trust me - you'll be there playing around with it forever! LOL! Also, it allows you to choose whichever type of tack you'd want to see your horse in. Just choose English, Western, etc. at the top of the page. Have fun!


  13. Thank you so much for your replies! You are really helping to put my mind at ease.

    Wildrose, I have definitely used the 3 second rule, LOL! Almost to the extent that I was sure that my neighbors would be calling the humane society on me for animal abuse (Not that I was abusing him, but I'm sure it looked like it). As I was leading him back to the pasture one day, he took a nice little nip at my arm. I immediately turned to him and said "NO!!" and started smacking him as hard as I could with my crop all across the front of his chest. His head was high and he was trying to back away, but I just kept after him - going at him like a crazed lunatic. I stopped after 3-4 seconds and continued on as if nothing happened. He was on his best behavior right after that going back to the pasture, but we were at it again come feeding time later on that day. [bang Head]


  14. To get a better handle on what you're feeling back there, first put him to work. Do 10 mins of trotting. The heat will make them drop so you can palpate them easier.

    Wow! Thank you daisysmom!! I'll definitely have to try that. I think it's supposed to be about 81 here in a couple of days, so I'll have to try that during the hottest part of the day :) Let's hope it works! (that is if I don't get my head bitten off in the meantime, LOL!)


  15. Oh my goodness why didn't you come to me earlier regarding this! I know EXACTLY what to do:

    1) Blindfold and hobble left-behind horse while tied.

    2) Shock collars are awesome!

    And if all else fails, simply pony the other horse each and every time you want to go trail riding.

    - Linda Parelli

    :happy0203::happy0203::crazy: J/K

    But in all honesty, I can see where John Lyons is going with this. He's going for more of an approach and retreat type of training. It may work if you have a lot of time, but I feel your pain if you want to saddle up tomorrow and ride out. I second the pasture-buddy idea as well.


  16. I bought two paint colts last fall who were about the same age as Tuff is now. They didn't have anything either. However, this spring when the grass started coming in and the days getting longers, bingo, we now have testicles. And not walnuts either!! So give him some time. As far as the nippiness, that seems to go away once they are cut. Just keep correcting him for it.

    I am really hoping this behavior of his calms down once he's cut. I can't stand it anymore. He's at the point now where he knows what he is doing is wrong, so tries to pull a fast one. It's just annoying as heck!!! It just makes me want him gelded even more, but I hate that it's out of my hands at this point. He knows I'm not playing with my corrections, in fact I'm surprised I haven't broken my crop by now - but the lil' bugger just won't stop! [bang Head] I just went out there and bent over at the waist to look up under there, and when I did he went to bite my hair. I jerked my head up and as soon as I did, he jerked his up as well. There went my 3 seconds, and I didn't have enough time to correct him. GRrrrrrr...


  17. Thank you for your reply Trinity! I am praying, praying that it drops by fall. I really don't want to shell out another grand to get it retrieved... I've already got at LEAST a couple grand in him as it is just getting him to the age he is now. [surrender] I'm going to be blunt here, so please bear with me: It should be about the size of a walnut, right? Or is it smaller if he's a yearling? I am asking because I have been feeling "down there". And I feel what seems to be an elongated mass. But here's the thing: It seems like I am able to separate two distinct SMALL masses which makes up the ONE elongated mass if that makes sense. Is seems there's a mass about the size of a large nickel, and then one about the size of a dime. Wierd huh? Or is it that I'm actually only feeling one testicle? Lord please help me figure out little-boy-horse anatomy.

    Now for grins and giggles we have comparison/growth pictures!! Call it my own personal growth-chart diary. Here's Tuff at 8 months old. This picture was taken exactly a year ago this month:102_3730.jpg

    Now a year later (4/4/10)- Not a good picture of him AT ALL, but it's the most recent one I have. He still has his winter woolies in this pic. I'll have to get some pics of him once he sheds out. My son is about 6' for height comparison:

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    A couple months ago (February) just relaxing in the pasture. I like to call this one his official "yearling" picture, LOL!:

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  18. It's been a while since I've posted on here about Tuff. But occasionally throughout this adventure that I've been having with raising him I like to come here for a little advice and/or reassurance. For a quick update, he is now 18 months old and was measured to be 14 hands at the withers. Vet says he should mature to 15.3 - 16 hands. Who would have guessed?? LOL!

    A couple of months ago I scheduled Tuff to be gelded. I loaded him into the trailer (he loaded into a small 2 horse bp like a dream!!) and took him to his appointment. The vet sedated him and to my horror she told me he only has one testicle that has decended. She tried and tried and tried to manually feel/palpate the undescended one saying that if she could feel just the tip of the other one she could get it as well, but she couldn't find it. I apologized for the inconvenience, and asked her to go ahead and pull an updated coggins. He didn't need another coggins, but I just wanted to feel like we accomplished SOMETHING. So now it's a couple of months later and still no testicle. So my question is, how long is too long to wait for surgical retrieval? How uncommon is it that a yearling hasn't dropped both testicles yet?

    I am very eager to get him gelded because I know he is at an age where he can breed. I don't want Tuff to ever breed, because I think it's better that he don't know what he'll be missing out on in that department. We don't have any mares, but I have seen him "play mounting" my bigger gelding, who doesn't take too kindly to it. The neighbors have horses as well, and I'd hate for him to jump a fence or breed a neighbor's mare through the fence. Therefore, I am going to run a strand of hotwire around the border of my pasture, which is something I never intended on having to do.

    Next on the agenda, Tuff is getting really, really nippy. I have never, ever tolerated this behavior from him, but he just doesn't seem to want to lay off. I know it's a respect issue, and what's worse is that I know that vices in horses are a clear reflection of their owners capabilities. This frustrates me even more. He has also developed an annoying habit of trying to eat his leadrope whenever tied. It's as if he has to have SOMETHING in his mouth at all times. Even as I'm leading him, he'll try to take a nip out of my arm or hand. Each time he's attempted to do this, he has recieved a swift knuckle sandwich or elbow to the teeth. But he won't quit trying!!! Now it's to where he goes to bite, and as soon as I move my hand he jerks his head away. I did some looking around online and found a couple of suggestions that I put to use. One was to use a stud chain, which would automatically correct him when he goes to bite. Another article said that I should strap a wire brush to the outside of my arm so that when he goes to bite it he'll just get a mouthful of "ouch". So I tried these tactics, and after a few sessions he stopped trying to nip. But as soon as I removed the chain and the brush from my arm he was at it again!!! It's as if he figured out those were the items that were stopping him from doing the nipping and biting. I need to add that I do not hand feed him treats, and I have NOT ever hit him on the head. I have only popped him on the nose/mouth. I should also add that it is not just me that he tries to nip. He tries to bite my son, my husband, the FENCE, the trees, the other horses, the gate, the barn, EVERYTHING. One afternoon just before I entered his pasture to retrieve him, he was standing at the gate. I just stood there a moment watching him. He knew he wasn't allowed to bite me, so he literally began chewing and gnawing on the gate!! And he was watching me while he was doing it! Of course I raised my voice and told him to quit, and as soon as I did he popped his head up and took a step back. I just have to make him understand that he's not allowed to do that to me or anyone else for that matter, let alone inadimant objects.

    Sorry for rambling... As far as eating his leadrope while being tied - I started spraying cooking spray on his leadrope to help the black pepper stick to it better. Once he got a mouthful of that, he did that flehmen thing (nose in the air with curled lip) and stopped. But I have to do this EVERY time!!!! It's like he just isn't learning not to do it! I have always reprimanded him very strongly, but I just dunno....

    Any suggestions? Thanks for reading my essay btw :)


  19. Sorry, I don't see that the child was "torturing" the horse. She was trying to approach it. It doesn't matter how long she had been trying to approach it. Substitute adult with halter and lead rope for child and y'all would be singing a different tune about the horse. If I go to catch my horse and he turns his butt toward me or pins his ears and comes after me, am I "torturing" the horse by trying to catch him? If he continues to avoid being caught, do I just give up because to continue would be "torturing" him. No, as long as I buy his feed, he best not show me that kind of disrespect. Sorry, the horse was agressive and disrespectful. No domesticated horse should show that kind a behavior to a human.

    Apparently after exchanging emails with Fugly, she posted the video to her website as well. And wire - I am going to have to quote Fugly on this one, because she seems to convey the same message that I would have liked to convey in response to your post. Here's what she said:

    "Yes, the horse did it deliberately and no, he is not a bad horse. He is a horse who was being annoyed by a small and noisy thing. I doubt it registered on him that the small, noisy thing was a human. It seemed to him to be a small, noisy animal, and when it kept coming after him after he had told it very clearly in horse-ese that he did not wish to be disturbed, he smooshed it to make it stop. He didn?t stumble, and I don?t see that the other horse threatened him. He smooshed it to make it stop which was a perfectly normal reaction for a herd animal being attacked by a small, noisy animal that might be something like a dog that could bite him." - Fugly Horse Of The Day.

    My thoughts exactly. [Not Worthy] [Not Worthy]


  20. I've never heard of a horse doing that. Learn something new every day. Maybe Fugly should see this one [surrender]

    Okay I got around to it and emailed Fugly the link, and I've had quite an entertaining exchange of emails with her tonight :) So let's just say that she's definitely opinionated on this matter, LOL!