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  1. Shooting Down The Gun Lobby

    I wonder if a "ban" on stuff means that anyone that has something that becomes a banned item they are supposed to voluntarily give it up? If I already have "high capacity" magazines, do I get to keep them and just cannot buy any more? I wonder what the definition of high capacity is? 5, 10, 50? A revolver can easily kill 6 people in short order with a competent shooter, more if the shooter is an expert, practiced and has the right equipment. I also wonder how "they" are going to catch Bubba selling a pistol to Bubba Jr. if no crimes are committed with the pistol? Unenforceable legislation makes no sense to me and is a waste of resources that could be used for other purposes. Other purposes like, you know, healthcare.
  2. The Pit Bull Is A Lovely Dog

    Rank Dog Breed # of Attacks per percent of dogs (based on # of ads) 1 Rottweiler 1603 2 Wolf Hybrid 840 3 Pitbull Terrier 597 4 Bull Mastiff 380 5 Akita 163 6 Boxer 120 7 Chow 77 8 Labrador 64 9 German Shepherd 63 10 Great Dane 44 11 Malamute 43 12 Mastiff 42 13 English Bulldog 40 14 Brittany Spaniel 40 15 Husky 33 16 Sharpei 25 17 Doberman 21 18 Malinois 14 19 Saint Bernard 11 20 Golden Retriever 7 Note that Animal People's report comprises many more breeds, but for the other breeds the data in the report is insufficient to consider them in the above ranking. If there were a reliable source for breed-specific population data, we could certainly improve on the accuracy of the ranking above. But for the moment, the data found on sites like Statistic Brain (based on AKC figures = registered dogs) is insufficient, and clearly wrong. So for now, the above ranking (based on numbers of classified ads) may give us the mostunbiased insight into 'dangerous dog breeds'. The above chart lists the PB as #3 with the Rottweiler having 3 X the number of attacks. I actually go this chart from following one of the links you posted. If we remove dogs from reports where the breed identification is a "best guess" the PB will fall even farther down the list. I will maintain that PBs, pure bred PBs, not every dog with a broad head and short hair that may have some ancestor related to a PB 5 generations back (or may not even have that), are no more inherently dangerous than any other large breed of dog. Until reliable data is produced that considers the total number of a "type" of dog in an area where an attack has occurred, I will not change my stance. I don't expect "you" to change yours either. To each their own.
  3. Shooting Down The Gun Lobby

    There are checks in place at to purchase a gun from a gun dealer at a gun show. Private purchases though, are not regulated. This is one of the "loopholes" that nick is referring to. I don't have an issue with making private sales illegal at a gun show but regulating private sales between individuals outside of gun shows and such will not be enforceable so is a waste of time and resources to even pass. I see most new legislation regarding gun control as closing the barn door after the horse is out. I'm not an NRA member because I oppose some of the political stuff that they support. One of the perks that I miss though is notification when some new legislation is being proposed or pushed.
  4. Shooting Down The Gun Lobby

    NRA has lots of money. The politicians that have been being bribed should probably be worried though. Stricter rules for gun shows would not upset my apple cart as it probably would have little affect on me personally. I will vote against them though because I still believe that more legislation will not make a dent in crime rates with firearms. Criminals don't usually buy guns at gun shows or from licensed gun dealers as a rule.
  5. The Pit Bull Is A Lovely Dog

    Airdales are not in the media because they are a relatively rare breed. That was my whole point, more PBs means more PB incidents. PBs are not any more dangerous than many other breeds out there, mostly bullies and large terriers. I say the ones that are involved in attacks are the exception rather than the other way around. Nobody has presented any statistics here that point to me being wrong. Not one article posted here, not one, includes data regarding how much of the canine population in general are PBs (Or PBX since those numbers are ALWAYS included in statistics about PB incidents. You will find that same reference when you are researching PBs because they were indeed bred for bull/bear fighting. It's how they got their name. The list of breeds that were bred to kill other animals is very extensive, especially in the terrier and bully breeds. Nobody here wants you to go out and get a PB. You don't like them, you don't like them. There is nothing wrong with that. Your stance on PBs is, however, uneducated and based on media bias. That is what I am trying to change. I have no stake in this discussion because I don't a PB, or any other breed that is involved in breed specific legislation. I dislike what I view as arbitrary and seek to educate those that appear to be intolerant for no logical reason. It is the same with any terrier breed. Ask anyone that has a houseful of any terrier. Link please? I do not have any faith in these numbers just looking at the numbers of PB in shelters in my area and on the "net". The rising popularity of a breed tends to be reflected in the numbers bred and thus the numbers that end up in shelters. I actually agree with all of this except the part about a break stick being required equipment. I also don't think anyone here has denied the heritage of the PB breed, nor the power or tendency to bite and hold on. It is piss poor breeding practices that have led the PB to it's current state, both in sheer numbers and in incidents, not the dog itself. I include breeding dogs that should not be bred, selling/giving puppies to people that have no business with a PB and a very irresponsible media that reports what it thinks the readers want to hear rather than the truth. Add to that the fact that any dog with a broad head and short hair is obviously a PB X and get included in the numbers regarding PB incidents and you have a recipe for exactly what is happening on this thread. Again, I am not saying that PBs are for everybody, nor am I saying that they do not have the potential to do great harm. I am saying that a well bred, well trained PB is not a danger to anyone.
  6. The Pit Bull Is A Lovely Dog

    Again, the information in those articles does not account for the number of each breed represented in that area. More of any type of dog WILL result in more incidents. Have you ever seen a report of an attack by an Airedale? Very rare for that to happen, not because the Airedales don't have the capacity to attack other animals or humans, but because they are a somewhat rare breed in the US. If they were as numerous as PB and had been bred will nilly for so long, they would be serious competition for the rights to the most attacks on humans. Big enough to kill a human with little trouble too. They are not similar enough to many different types of dogs to be easily confused either, like a pit and a lab are often confused. I'm not knocking the Airdale, I like them myself, just pointing out the difference that the sheer number of PBs makes in the frequency of incidents. I hate that people think that these dogs were bred to be aggressive or viscous. That is simply not true. They are terriers so are a very confident dog. That translates to aggressive or viscous for some people but is not what the dogs were bred for. They were bred for confidence, the confidence to go grab a 2000lb animal by the nose and hang on. They were bred for strength, the strength to go grab a 2000lb animal by the nose and hang on. They were bred for tenacity, thus the terrier blood introduced, to go grab a 2000lb animal by the nose and hang on. There are no other groups of dogs that are as uniformly tenacious as the terrier group. They just don't give up. They were also bred for a willing to please personality, so willing that they will go grab a 2000lb animal by the nose and hang on when directed to. They had to be willing to please so that they could be safely handled. Think about it. I don't buy into the whole "nanny dog" thing but PBs were bred to be tractable, thus a usually kind and willing attitude with their people. It is unfortunate that the very tendencies that made them so good at what they were bred for also make them very efficient killers. They are strong, bold and never give up. Bold doesn't make them aggressive, strong doesn't mean that they have some sort of God like power to "lock" their jaws on their prey and tenacious doesn't mean that they cannot be stopped once started. Sure makes them popular for people that like to win money in dog fights though. Even the people that raise them for fighting value a dog that is easy to handle outside of the ring. They have to be able to get the dog to the ring and back home after if it survives the night. I would not try to convince someone that they should give this breed a try when they clearly are not interested but, like 16barrelracer stated, they are not the monster that the media likes to make them out to be.
  7. The Pit Bull Is A Lovely Dog

    Yes! In relation to hunting/herding, nick is correct in that the gathering instinct is a hunting tactic used by packs. The insane drive that BCs have to chase a ball is regarded as a prey drive. No way to misinterpret that. I'm not saying that collies of any kind were ever bred to hunt, they were bred to gather and herd livestock though, so that instinct was not only kept in tact but concentrated in those breeds. A lot of people get collies, heelers, etc. and then complain because their unsupervised herding dog "works" their chickens to death or nips the toddler to get it to go where directed. The other side of that coin is that those types of dogs, herding dogs, have also been bred for generations to look for direction, to have train-ability. I use to haul to shows with a woman that had BCs and I teased her about getting dogs that were born trained because if you get a good dog from a good breeder, that is pretty much what you get.
  8. The Pit Bull Is A Lovely Dog

    Most people describe unprovoked as not hurting the dog. There are though, many ways to provoke a dog that do not involve any overt actions. Simply being short, viewed as weak by the dog and making eye contact with a confident dog can provoke a bite. It doesn't have to be on purpose by the victim. A lot of scenarios involve a child at eye level with the dog, climbing on the dog. The adult either doesn't see, doesn't care or doesn't recognize the dog's body language and the child is bitten. The adult is often also bitten because they intervene incorrectly. People are the only species that cannot readily recognize the body language of another species. Watch dogs and cats, dogs and equines, dogs and birds. Watch them invite each other in or warn each other away without every making a sound. The data quoted by Smilie enforces my theory that many bites are attributed to PBs when, in fact, there is much room for error in identifying the dog that bit. The data also fails to determine a % of PBs that bite which is very telling data. If there are 100 PBs in a given area and 2 of them are involved in bite incidents, that is 2%. If 50 are involved, that is 50% and is a much different perspective of the PB. Judging by the number of PBs in our local shelter, I would guess that the % of dogs involved in bites here would be more in line with 2% than with 50%. It seems as though there is a PB or a PB x in every backyard in town! Comparing the total number of bites among the different breeds of dog does not take into consideration how many of each breed of dog there is. There are bound to be more PB bites than pointer bites simply because there are way more PBs than Pointers. Data reported as it is reported in Smilies post is both telling and misleading. Stray dogs causing the most trouble does not surprise me in the least. Especially when the stray dogs are in a pack environment. They really get brave then. Many fatalities involving dogs and adults have multiple dogs involved, more than one dog.
  9. The Pit Bull Is A Lovely Dog

    They are certainly not a breed for everyone and I respect that. I just wanted to point out that the high number of incidents involving these animals can be very skewed if the number of animals is not accurately figured. % counts, not just numbers. I do not agree that it is some sort of inbred nature for a PB to turn on/attack a family member or that some random motion will trigger an attack. Many people fail to recognize the signs of an unhappy dog, I see those videos of tortured dogs with babies and toddlers on social media all of the time. That is how most kids are bitten, ignorant parents/guardians/dog owners. Many, many dogs no longer perform the tasks they were originally bred for. They and their people are no worse for the wear! . I am not trying to change your mind or convince you that you should go get a PB. I am just trying to give you a different perspective on a type of dog that is much maligned and misunderstood due to their popularity and the resulting over breeding.
  10. Training A Fearless Trail Horse

    I agree 100% with Cheri's post about making a good trail horse. Obedience is #1 in importance if you want to be able to ride your equine wherever you want to ride it and not worry about a meltdown, spook or runaway. There is not way to desensitize to everything that might be encountered on a trail ride. There is just no way. How are you going to make sure you can control your equine if you get into some bees or wasps? Are you going to get a nest so that you can expose your animal? Not a good idea for sure! I don't care if my mount will go sniff something that scars him as long as he doesn't try to leap around or bolt. I am not interested in falling off a cliff or getting scraped off by a tree because he doesn't like the looks of a stump in the path. He needs to keep going in the direction I am asking him to go, I will not make him interact with the scary object. I won't even let him look at it! I have not tried tipping a nose away while pushing him towards the stump though. I might try that on Blossom the next time she sees teeth in a stump. She really dislikes stumps for some reason! She has learned that whirling around is a bad idea and results in a lot of work for her but she will still swerve and/or stop if I don't pay attention and "see it" before she does. Just teach the animal that you are trustworthy and a good leader and there will be very few problems. One the subject of a one rein stop, I also agree with Cheri. It is very good to teach. Since I also teach a leg yield there is little confusion about what I am asking for. That "taking the head away" works very well for a spoiled horse that jigs and dances if it is applied consistently, every time the horse stops doing what you asked and tries something else. I like to interchange the stop, a hindquarters disengagement and a pivot to keep a mind engaged and off of whatever is making him jig. Anything that makes him pay attention to me and not whatever else he wants to pay attention to is a win for me. Just like everything else, if you do it too much after it is learned, they will anticipate. I think that this is where the rubber neck comes from. That and inconsistent cues. I do a one rein stop the same way, every time but I only rarely test it once it is learned. I don't want my mount to think that I am asking for a nose and a stop every time I run my hand down the rein, that is inconvenient. I want them to know that I want a nose at my knee and a whoa when I sit deep, run my hand down the rein and say whoa. I want a nice square stop when I sit deep, pick up my reins and say whoa but I don't want a nose at my knee. I have not had a problem with anticipation or confusion so I guess I am doing it OK at this point. Working with mules has taught me to be very consistent with cues or have confused and angry mules!
  11. The Pit Bull Is A Lovely Dog

    Smilie your data does not account for the popularity, and therefor the numbers, of PBs. The more of them there are, the more incidents they will be involved in. It would be very difficult to account for the % of PBs that are involved in bites and/or fatalities though since most are not registered with any registry. I really doubt that the % is disproportional though or that it is higher than other large and popular breeds like rotts and GSDs. I bet the bite incident % is lower with PBs than with Belgian Malinois since BMs are not for novice owners at all! I can't back that up of course, but I believe it would be true if the research could be done. Another problem with accounting for the "breed" responsible for bites is that any dog with short hair and a broad"ish" head with a square nose is obviously a PB. I can think of about 10 breeds off the top of my head that ALSO fit that description, most are sporting dogs of some sort but there are also a lot of hounds that fit the bill in physical stature. Some of the sporting dogs and hounds are quite popular in my area with copious amounts of game birds to hunt and coyotes and rabbits to run with hounds. 20 or so years ago, GSDs had more bites and fatalities than any other breed but they were also the most popular breed out there. The prison started a dog training program to help the local shelter make dogs more adoptable. We started out with a written agreement that PBs, Rotts, dobes and GSDs would not be in the program. Fully 90% of the dogs at the shelter are PB or PBx. 90%! The agreement with the city was revised to allow all breeds into the program. There are 36 dogs in the prison program right now and at least 30 of them are PB or PB mixes. The only fight between the dogs has been a PyreneesX and a Siberian Husky that were, obviously, not being properly supervised by their handlers. There have, knock on wood, been no injuries to people at all. The program was implemented in May of this year. None of this means that I do not think that PBs are capable of inflicting damage or death because they absolutely are. It just means that they are far from the only breed capable of that and that they are so numerous and the dog responsible for an incident is often misidentified as a PB just because it has short hair and a wide head. It is sort of like every dog that is black and tan and has a double coat is obviously a rott. 10 years ago it was a dobe and 20 years ago, a GSD. I probably don't have those time references anywhere near correct but the point is the same no matter when each breed had their day in the spotlight. I can't stand the thought of breed specific legislation. I wish that the people responsible for putting a dog in a situation where it could or would bite were held fully responsible rather than the dog, or breed/type of dog. Somebody, somewhere was responsible for that dog. Somebody bred it or allowed it to be bred, somebody did not train it/socialize it, somebody did not confine/control it/protect it, somebody got too close/provoked/didn't pay attention, etc. A dog is just a dog and should not be expected to make "human" decisions. People should be expected to make those decisions and be held responsible for making the wrong ones. I just believe that it is not the dogs fault, ever.
  12. Gun Control

    Yep^. The answer to why? is because I can, because I want to. Need has nothing to do with my possession of firearms or ammo for them. I want them, I have done nothing to lose the right to have them so why do you care if I have them?
  13. Gun Control

    Nick does not hunt. Just saying.
  14. Un Evaluation Of Women's Rights In Us

    I found the article to be emotional and opinion based with no, or very little, factual information. My own personal experience has not been one of disparity and I have never felt that I had to work harder to be considered equal to my male peers. I have also not been the victim of wage disparity in any of my chosen fields. I have been in the Army and advanced quickly to being an instructor at the Army Engineer School that was in Ft. Belvoir, Va at the time. I have been in Law Enforcement and have been in multiple positions from process server/animal control to Deputy, was always paid the same as any other people in the same positions for the same amount of time AND with the same qualifications for the position. I advance quickly from one position to the next and never encountered any prejudice. I was, in fact, encouraged to obtain my LE certification by the Sheriff to fill the demand for female officers. I bar tended for several years and actually made more money that my male counter part that had more experience than I did and had been there much longer than I. I worked at an oil field business, electric power lines, welders and electric motors for pump jacks, I started as a parts washer and advanced to Motor Shop Foreman within 2 years of employment. I was the only female in the shop for the entire time I was there. I have been working at this prison for 17 years. I am the senior Captain and make considerably more money than any of my peers. I also have more responsibility and the scope of my current position includes supervision of my peers with regard to quality of service to our client, the New Mexico Corrections Department. The flip side of that is that I never asked for any different treatment than the men I worked with in any of those jobs. I did not need separate restroom facilities, special uniforms, shoes or gloves. I kept my hair in the prescribed fashion for each job, closely confined above my collar with neutral clips, pins, etc., while in the service, corrections and LE. Closely confined for safety while in the oil field. Jewelry, makeup and fingernails always well within regulations regarding amounts, styles, length of nails ect. I took care of arrangements for my kids and very rarely missed work because of child care hiccups. I took time off, without pay, to have my children and only took the amount of time I needed/could afford at the time. I went back to work when my youngest child was 3 weeks old because I could not afford more time off. Not my employers problem that I became pregnant or had a child. Not my employers responsibility. I feel like this pendulum will most likely swing too far the other way now, it has already started. Women do not want to be equal, they want to be more. More time off without any repercussions, access to jobs that women are not typically physically or emotionally suited for, equal pay when they are not equally qualified to a male peer. Special clothing, supplies, facilities, etc. to perform the same job men do without all of that special stuff. Lower physical standards for females to do the same job that a male has to meet higher standards to qualify for. I'm not talking about physical assessments, those are set determine if a person can perform as a generally healthy male/female of a specific age should be able to perform. I understand the difference there. I am talking about fitness for becoming a Navy Seal or a firefighter, National Guard Search and Rescue, jobs like that. If a person should be able to pick up a 150lb dummy and run 75 yards with it to be an effective Correctional Emergency Response Team member, then gender should not matter. It does not with NMCD either. There is only one female of 120 members currently in New Mexico and she met the same standards as the males. I guess it will be no big deal if men are offered the same benefits as females across the board. Same amount of paid time as a woman for the birth of a child, same allowances for child care, same benefits across the board. Next there will be lawsuits because these new benefits favor people with children over those that chose to not have them. No discrimination there though, right? Have a child and get 2 more weeks of time paid time off than if you chose not to have one. Destruction of planned parenthood clinics is not about rights. It is about religion and should not have been part of the study, IMO. It is already illegal to cause physical harm to another HUMAN, it should not be worse to harm a woman than a man.
  15. Gun Control

    Only youths have to attend hunter safety here. Under 18 I think. Mine were all over 18 or were not interested in hunting before that was enacted. Required hunter safety courses are probably coming. I have no problem with that and will take the classes if I decide to hunt again. I would love some venison, I am just not interested in butchering a deer to get it! The last one we butchered was a little 4 point that my niece hit with her pickup. the state police let us have it and we processed it and put it in the freezer. That was 2009 I think!
  16. Please Talk Me Out Of....

    I understand. I like puppies in the winter though, less disease and fewer bugs. I always bred for winter puppies if I could and will always buy one in late fall or very early spring if what I want is available. House training is another issue though and, living where you are, I understand reluctance to prance around outside in snow up to your bottom!
  17. Husbands can be such a pain but what would I do without mine? He has a heart of gold that means I will forgive most transgressions. I'm glad your is listening to you nick. As you can see form the comments, that is not always the case. lol
  18. Please Talk Me Out Of....

    Life is short. Get the puppy! My goodness equicrzy, I don't know why you are even hesitating. Get the puppy already!
  19. Gun Control

    "my reason for bringing the game down with the first shot is indeed to minimize suffereing" "I don't hunt and I don't eat game, " Which is it? You either try to bring game down with the first shot or you don't hunt. I am going with the don't hunt scenario sense you d o nut seem to understand the process at all. "And no semi-automatics ever,upsets the wildlife and the hikers, btw." What? ^ Semi-autos are not any louder than non-autos. It is caliber, load and weapon design, mostly weapon design and load, that determine how loud a firearm is going to be. A cute little Ruger mini 14 makes hardly any noise while my 7.62 X 39 semi auto is like a hand held cannon!
  20. Bacterial Mcr-1 Gene And What Now?

    I agree that the gag rule should not be enacted. Food labels already walk a fine line between fact and fiction which should also be illegal! I also don't think there is any way to stop bacterial gene mutation for all of the reasons I have already stated. People are people and will act like people, good, bad and indifferent. Greed and desperation will certainly play a role.
  21. Gun Control

    This^ just as I said earlier. I don't need any guns anymore than I need to hunt for my food. I WANT those guns and have every right to have them. You don't want any guns? Don't get any. I don't know why you feel the need to attack me now nick. I have not mentioned hunting in this thread at all as it has nothing to do with my right to bear arms. I believe that I should continue to have that right since I have done nothing to lose it. I have not hunted in many years, just so you know, but I have not had to take a second shot on any game or an any equine, dog, cat or skunk that I have killed for any reason. There have been a few over the years for sure since I killed my first deer when I was 9 years old. I am a very good shot with rifle, handgun or shotgun since I have been shooting all of the above since I was about 6 years old. BTW, the reason for being careful to take down game with the first shot is to end suffering. The reasons that you stated are secondary to a good hunter. Hunter safety should be included in those secondary reasons also, wounded animals are very dangerous. My father was a game warden on Camp Pendleton may years ago. It was his favorite posting while in the Marine Corps. (I don't know what that has to do with anything but I thought I would try to keep up the theme that you started by "knowing" a game warden.) Killing people is illegal. Has been for many, many years. Has not stopped people from doing it. While I understand your point of view and agree with a need to reduce the likelihood of mass shootings, I do not agree that more gun ownership restrictions will be effective. It is that simple for me. Taking my guns or making it more difficult for me to buy more or buy weapons of a certain type will not deter someone with criminal intent from doing such. The prison where I work if full of people that laws did not matter to, 1248 of them today. I acknowledge that there is a big problem, we just don't agree on what the problem is or how to correct it.
  22. Bacterial Mcr-1 Gene And What Now?

    This is why this will have to wait until I retire. We raised a lot of meat rabbits when I was young and I know it can be a lot of work. The pay off is worth it though.
  23. Bacterial Mcr-1 Gene And What Now?

    The only answer to, What now?, is to continue research aimed a developing antibiotics that can be used to successfully treat this super bug. It will not stop the issue though. Like you said, the horse is out of the barn and it is too late to shut the door. It was too late to shut this door decades ago. Practices regarding producing food will be "improved", more stuff will be banned form the food chain in the form of medication and feed for meat production, Dr.s will be restricted and monitored for prescription practices and people will continue to be admonished to take all of the prescription. People are going to be non-compliant. From food producers to doctors and patients. All of that will ensure that this problem is not going to go away, it has been in this process for many decades, since the first antibiotic was administered.
  24. Bacterial Mcr-1 Gene And What Now?

    I buy from local sources as much as possible. I want to raise rabbits as a meat source but I have to wait until I retire in a couple more years. Rabbits and a milk cow and I will be all set. I already have chickens. I plan to trade beef for pork. My neighbor raises hogs and is willing to do some trading. I started gardening again last year and plan to expand this year. I guess I should get my canning stuff out and inventoried. I hate to can though. Factory farming is a hot topic on some forums. Grass fed is all the rage and the price is reflected. I can't wait for people to start complaining about genetic modifying when ranchers go back to beeves that do better in the pasture than in the feed lot!