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  1. All I was really trying to say is treats can be used in trick training, as I am not sure how pressure and release would be used in that application.

    I like to watch well trained trick horses, but do not think trick training should be done by everyone as it can create bad habits or be dangerous if horses do certain tricks off cue.

    But smilie I do agree with you that pressure and release (negative reinforcement) and the praise of good boy or good job and a rub or pat (positive reinforcement) is the basis to good training. Also some quick punishment when a horse bites, kicks, or acts in a dangerous mannor.

  2. all i know is that i've seen a video of the late great freddie knie with six black stallions and six white weaving in and out of one another around a circus ring. they looked pretty darn respectful to me.

    we also do circus training at our barn, but if you think about it getting up on a pedestal is very similar to stepping up into a trailer. lying your horse down and wrapping it up in a tarp helps with claustrophic tendencies when the horse learns to relax. the horses also play soccer with a huge ball, but that's not all that different from chasing a cow (follow it) or the flag on a cutting machine. if what you teach a horse has applications to "real life" i don't see that as a negative. teaching a horse to bow is essentially taking his leg away--something he needs to get away from the predator. all of our horses stand just dandy for the blacksmith (taking a leg away).

    i studied behavior modification in college and worked with severely austitic kids. you HAD to use treats to teach them new skills like tying shoelaces or telling time because nothing else worked!! i don't think husbands or horses fall into that category--just making them kind of uncomfortable until you get the desired behavior works just fine.

    Yes, I am on the wall, but I see your point.

    I have the book Trickonometry and it teachs tricks like:

    • pushing you around
    • pickpocket
    • taking a hat off your head and giving it to you
    • shaking hands
    • counting

    ... seem like they 'could' encourage bad habits.

  3. I never want to use a food bribe for anything, including loading into a trailer

    Trick training is the only time I agree with using food as a bribe, but I do not know if I agree with trick training or not.

    Does trick training not teach horses to be disrespectful? It is fun to watch them do tricks but how do they learn to only do them on command and not when they are trying to earn treats (as some tricks are very unsafe).

  4. You are never going to ride a dog or a dolphin, thus the release of pressure for a correct response to a bit or leg aid is hardly applicable

    You can use release of pressure in training your dog to walk on a leash.

    Some people use clicker training or positive reinforcement, but to me that is like using clicker training while riding.

    I just started working with my dog by looping the leash around his waist. If he pulls it applies pressure to his waist, when he stops the pressure stops. Works so much better then the pressure applying to his neck, as he would keep pulling and gag himself.

  5. Is your mare tattooed? Maybe you need to look into driving her too, if she is. She's a pretty girl and makes me miss standardbreds.

    No she is not tattooed. Her parents both raced, but the breeder must have got out of racing just before she was born.

    She has done some driving in a team, giving wagon rides to the public when she was at a public trail riding stable.

    Always wanted to try driving someday, need to find someone to teach me.

  6. Sounds like you have a very versatile mare. LOL, I always preferred western but if one can ride english also it just makes for an all around better rider.

    She is a great beginner horse; my first horse and I have had her 10 years. She may not be a perfectly trained horse but she has patience and has taught me and my friends and family a lot.

    Western is definitely my preferred style of riding. I love trail riding, interested in learning more about working cattle and enjoy watching barrel racing and pole bending.

  7. Even the simple act of tossing hay over the fence or dumping grain in a bucket creates many respect issues between horse and human most owners never consider. Yes. There is a right way and a wrong way to feed your horse.

    Wow that is something to think about?

    I have always considered how I feed my dogs, and see that there is a right and wrong way. But I have never really thought of how I feed my horse, other then she cannot disrespectfully grab the food from my possession.

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    One rider did not want to shoot off her horse, but the clinician saw potential in the horse and asked to try it. It was amazing to watch!

    Swiching guns



    I love the falling gun in this shot. Not sure if you are disqualified when a gun is dropped.

    They were all telling me I should participate next time with Lacey. I have never handled a gun in my life and I am not sure what Lacey would think of the whole thing. She is fast to desensitize to new things so she may do well.

    Have any of you ever tried mounted shooting? If any of you were given the oppertunity would you try it?

  9. They are trying to start a Mounted Shooting Club in my province, New Brunswick, Canada.

    I tagged along to photograph the first clinic.

    I missed the first day were they covered gun safety, how the guns worked, and practiced firing from the ground to get use to the guns and desensitize their horses from the ground.

    Here are photos from the second day when they mounted up and started firing the guns while riding.

    They used foam cat toys as earplugs for the horses. Some wore fly bonnets to keep from shaking the toys out of their ears.


    Champ was not impressed with his ear plugs, but did not try to shake them out. Just had 'broken' ears.

    The clinician started by riding around shooting the balloons while the other riders followed to desensitize the horses while under saddle.


    Then the fun begun when the riders started shooting the balloons. All the horses were new at mounted shooting. Some just jumped a little, others balked, and a few bolted backward from the sound. But overall most did amazing for their first time.







    (More to come)

  10. My friend came to visit, and we decided to try Lacey in english tack.

    Lacey is a 20 year old standardbred. For the past 10 years Lacey and I have trail rode, participated in parades, and this spring we participated in a cattle sorting/penning clinic. Before that Lacey was a public trail horse and participated in some fun days barrel racing.

    Here she is in english tack, what do you think?

    English Lacey

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    My friend has a lot more experence with english riding then me, not to say she is a pro as she has taught her self so far but wants lessons. Therefore I got her to ride Lacey alittle so that I could watch and take some pictures. I think Lacey rode very nicely for never using english tack before.

    English Lacey

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    Can't take the country out of the Girl. My first time sitting in an english saddle, so as a joke I wanted to make myself look as western as I could.

    English Lacey (Can't take the country out of the Girl)

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    To tell you the truth I like the feel of the english saddle and would like to look into getting some lessons. No interest in showing, just think some english riding will improve my riding in general. posting seemed so much easier, my legs where a little higher allowing easier pressure when I squeezed, and Lacey backed up amazing when normally I can not get her to back in a straight line (we are working on backing up).

  11. So, why a clicker, when you can use your voice? I often will say 'good boy, or good girl, when a horse gives me the correct response, plus that release from pressure.

    A voice can be used instead of a clicker, by what I have read about clicker training, it just needs to be a consistent cue that they have done the right thing. The clicker or cue is used to say yes at just the right moment, as you can not time the treat entering the animals mouth at the perfect exact moment they do what you want.

    Therefore, the release of pressure can also be consider similar to clicker training as you are 'saying' yes by removing the pressure at just the moment they do the right thing and rewarding them with the release of pressure.

    Edited: clicker training is positive reinforcement and release of pressure is negative reinforcement. Depends on the situation which type of reinforement is needed to be used.

  12. I used major negative reinforcement awhile ago with my paint. He'd always been pushy on the ground. Not on his part but if I asked him to step over he would push into me instead. I thought well we are new to each other and he's such a good horse otherwise. So I let it slide awhile. With my new baby I didn't get much time to mess with him. And it really wasn't a big deal to me. Well this spring he hurt his leg so I was out doctoring it everyday. Id started to get tired of his attitude. I had tried the traditional increase pressure until he moves approach. Well he just kept pushing. One night I just was over it. Took the end of my lead and smacked him with it acting like a lunatic for about three seconds... he jumped back eyes wide looking like Dang woman's lost her mind. But guess what....I barely have to ask now and he moves right over.....

    Common misuse of the term negative reinforcement, this is actual an example of punishment.

    negative reinforcement is when a certain stimulus (usually an aversive stimulus) is removed after a particular behavior is exhibited.

    Example: the release of pressure

    Pyschology 101 comes in useful.

  13. Hello, My name is Julie Anne.

    I have been off and on this site since 2008. Some of you may remember me or my standardbred mare, Lacey Jane.

    I finally finished university in Waterloo, Ontario with a bachelor's degree in mathematics;

    however, I cannot find work so I am looking into going back to school a little closer to home for computer science.

    Lacey has hit the big two-o (20), but she is looking good for her age and still going pretty strong. We did our first clinic this spring with cattle penning and sorting, and had a lot of fun riding with other horses and working with cattle.

    Here is a link to a video from our clinic.

    Lacey Jane Spring 2014

    Lacey Jane Spring 2014

    Lacey Jane Spring 2014

    Pasture Turnout Spring 2014

    Pasture Turnout Spring 2014

    Pasture Turnout Spring 2014

    Pasture Turnout Spring 2014

  14. I have had a busy couple days of doing not much. Just busy. Got to ride my horse a couple times. Which was nice since I have not rode for over 4 months, as I was at university. But not sure when I will get to take her out again, because only luck kept her from getting hurt on patches of ice. But it felt good to be in the saddle. I also went down to the local animal shelter to photograph some of the dogs. Here are a couple of the pictures:




    BabiGirl90 Nice photos, I wish we had events like that in my area. I did get to go to the Royal show in Ontario one year. It was amazing. But here are no fancy shows like that in my area.