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Ok...Do not Say a thing about my appearence :-( I may have to get sad.

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He did very well, Hubby boosted me up..everything went well!!! Walked, backed, trotted for a very few mins. Does not like to yeild to the right. So we worked on that till I ended on a good note. ok. Tell me what you think of him.. I know.. *Groceries* hehe.. NOt a very good pic. Is it just me? Or does his neck tie into his shoulder quite high...

Ok Halo now. You can Crituqe her.

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Butt Shot

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Enjoy! Please tell me waht you think of Halo!..and as you can tell. Hubby really likes her..lolz..

<small>[ 07-16-2008, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: Flying Stars ]</small>

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Well, since you understand he needs groceries, I won't say anything. I don't think his neck ties into his shoulder high. If anything, I'd say it looks a little low tying by the pic you've posted. His neck would look much more normal if he was at the proper weight.

I do want to suggest that you use a snaffle bit on him right now since you have just started riding him. The bit you have on him right now really isn't appropriate for a horse that has 6 rides on it and can actually more difficult for you to convey your signals to him clearly. He may also develop the habit of raising his head to evade the bit if you're hands aren't that great too and will lead to improper muscle development.

Halo looks like a cutie. Her croup seems a bit upright, but that might be the way she is standing too.

How old are both of them? What breeds?

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Originally posted by ..::Felda::..:

Well, since you understand he needs groceries, I won't say anything. I don't think his neck ties into his shoulder high. If anything, I'd say it looks a little low tying by the pic you've posted. His neck would look much more normal if he was at the proper weight.

I do want to suggest that you use a snaffle bit on him right now since you have just started riding him. The bit you have on him right now really isn't appropriate for a horse that has 6 rides on it and can actually more difficult for you to convey your signals to him clearly. He may also develop the habit of raising his head to evade the bit if you're hands aren't that great too and will lead to improper muscle development.

Halo looks like a cutie. Her croup seems a bit upright, but that might be the way she is standing too.

How old are both of them? What breeds?

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He is a Standardbred. And she is a Paint

We are working on the Weight with Diesel..I do have a Snaffle somewhere..in my things somewhere still packed up! Yes, I have been very carefull with him...that is one thing i dont want..is him evading the bit.. So i have been working on very light cues..and mostly moving him with my legs and weight. He was actually looking over to see Halo coming out of the barn. I can actually clip the reins onto the D-Ring on that bit..and I dont get the leverage that way. Or thats what I *assume*

She is standing fairly square in her hindend there..so she may be high.. Her sire was 16h and her Dam was 15.2 So I am hoping she will grow..She is 19months..and he is 2 and a half...I have a half suspicion that he is actually younger than that though..

He is long in the body and when you go to squeeze your legs on him? You really have to bend your calves in..Is a workout for me..lol

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First thing I noticed is that I don't think he is physically mature enough to carry a rider at this point in his life. He legs look extremely weak in the pasterns, and honestly I think he looks like a yearling. I would give him at least a few more months with more nutrition to fill out, grow into him self and get stronger before you introduce more weight. You can always wait and start him over later, but you can't reverse damage that has been done to his body later on in life when he starts to break down.

That being said, I definitely agree with Felda. He shouldn't be in that bit at this stage of his training. A loosering, eggbutt, or dee ring smooth mouth snaffle (that is a curb even is it has the broken mouthpiece) at the very most. It would probably be best to start him in a sidepull or a bosal. Remember the first few rides on a horse it is crucial to make him as comfortable as possible and have things as easy to understand as possible. The bit you have in him is good for a finished horse. Basically, its like trying to teach a first grader Calculus.

Also, I noticed that your saddle doesn't fit him correctly. The pommel is sitting right on his withers which is probably causing him some pain, or at the very least, it is causing him to be uncomfortable.

I like the Paint. You could start to put a few light rides on her as she seems pretty sturdy for her age, but I would definitely stop riding the little gelding until he grows into himself a little more. Good luck!

[ 04-14-2008, 08:55 PM: Message edited by: Hibiscus ]

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You have some very cute horses, if you don't mind me asking how old is Diesel? He still looks he has quite a bit of growing to do and some more weight to gain, I'd let him fill out for at least a couple more months. He looks very calm and happy under saddle, but I agree with the above posters.

What are you currently feeding him?

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quote:

Originally posted by Hibiscus:

First thing I noticed is that I don't think he is physically mature enough to carry a rider at this point in his life. He legs look extremely weak in the pasterns, and honestly I think he looks like a yearling. I would give him at least a few more months with more nutrition to fill out, grow into him self and get stronger before you introduce more weight. You can always wait and start him over later, but you can't reverse damage that has been done to his body later on in life when he starts to break down.

That being said, I definitely agree with Felda. He shouldn't be in that bit at this stage of his training. A loosering, eggbutt, or dee ring smooth mouth snaffle (that is a curb even is it has the broken mouthpiece) at the very most. It would probably be best to start him in a sidepull or a bosal. Remember the first few rides on a horse it is crucial to make him as comfortable as possible and have things as easy to understand as possible. The bit you have in him is good for a finished horse. Basically, its like trying to teach a first grader Calculus.

Also, I noticed that your saddle doesn't fit him correctly. The pommel is sitting right on his withers which is probably causing him some pain, or at the very least, it is causing him to be uncomfortable.

I like the Paint. You could start to put a few light rides on her as she seems pretty sturdy for her age, but I would definitely stop riding the little gelding until he grows into himself a little more. Good luck!

Usually I'd just walk away...but ditto to everything here...

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Yeah, I too agree with above posters. I wouldn't be riding him but I WOULD be ground driving him to TEACH him to give to that bit and turn right BEFORE you get on him. Ground work will also help build some muscle on him and get him in better shape. [Wink]

Snaffle snaffle snaffle. That bit you have on him scares me on a horse that only has 6 rides on him. My horse is 5 and is still in a snaffle! [Duh] Better dig that snaffle out! [Wink]

I'm curious too what you are feeding him. I have heard of people feeding Senior feed to underweight "kids" because of all the fat in it. Might be a good start. But maybe you're already supplementing him for that. [big Grin]

I didn't notice the saddle till someone mentioned it but I'd get that checked out too. On such a newbie to riding, you want EVERYthing perfect. LOL...it almost looks like he needs to "fill in" to the saddle!

[Razz]

Keep up the good work on them both. Cuties! [big Grin]

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I bought him April 2007, They said he was almost two then?? They guy did not know a thing about horses pretty much, especially when I asked him if he was cut :-) LoL, he was like..whats that? Im like nevermind and bought him on the spot 400$

The Feed has.. Crushed corn, pellets, crushed oats and im not sure if there is molasses in it..Plus hay, he has put on at least 50lbs in hte past month and a half! [Yay] I will get the exact name of hte feed tomorrow!

The last two times I;ve been on him..was bareback..and No bridle... I do have a rope halter in which he is sensitive too. I do agree however that he has to be younger than the guy told me. I dont have a set of long reins yet. But when I am not working..we go for a walk at least over a mile one way and back.

He does not get worked up at anything that I know about.

Halo, I have been working with her for 2 months now? wow, time sure flies!! I curbed a pawing habit. She backs with minimal pressure. Whoa's immediatly. Trots on command ( two clucks ) Will hold her feet up ( up to 30 secs ) I gradually worked her up.. sometimes still likes to put her weight on me though. Will bend from side to side..moves away from pressure...or when asked *Over* she will step over ( she did that today, was so happy)

Dont mind being touched all over, face, body. Put my finger in the corner of her mouth she will open..as soon as she opens. I take my finger out. I did introdue the saddle blanket to her.. She dint know what to think.. So i left it in front of her.. She sniffed it..moved it around.. I've touched her all over with it..now I can set it on her back without a fuss.

May give Diesel a rest for sure adn let him fill out. I'd like to get a good idea of his age though. A snaffle..will have to get it out. I have a D-Ring or Eggbutt [Roll Eyes] My hubby takes her for walks as well. She does not mind traffic!

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If you can, post some teeth pictures...Babies are pretty easy to age...

You need clear pictures of the mouth from the side with the upper and lower showing clearly and a picture of the front of his mouth with lips pulled back well...Should be able to tell from that an approximate age.

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I plan on being down with the horses tomorrow. So, if im brave lol.. I will get some teeth pics..from the side as well as the front!! At what age do the horses wolf teeth come in. The vet told me they were just coming in, when I got his Hernia fixed!!

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I agree with the poster who said the horse doesn't look physically ready to be ridden. He is either too young or just slow to mature. He needs some more time, I think. You could certainly work with him on the ground. Just my opinion. He looks like some yearlings I know.

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hmmm. Why is it important to start the little bay right now? He doesn't have the mass, the structure, or anything I can think of positively that can carry a rider at this point. This is an excellent way to injure him. Bad bit for starting, bad saddle fit. Get a snaffle and get a saddle that fits him for when he IS in at least acceptable condition to start.

Is he a rescue case? If so, always wait until they are at 100% to get on them after a solid foundation of groundwork.. He looks awful to be perfectly honest with you, I can't imagine what he looked like 50 lbs ago. This horse has no business being under saddle right now.

The little paint on the other hand is quite nice. Have a vet check her age, if she's over two. You could start her gently. But I would quit riding the little bay ASAP. You are trying to put weight on him, less strenuous work is best. Light lunging, groundwork, etc.

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Wolf teeth are not definitive. They can get them very young or even a bit older. I had them pulled on a 16 month old and I am sure even younger...We need to see his insisors to tell anything. I am going to say your kiddo is not yet two to me as well...or maybe going to turn two this year.

[ 04-15-2008, 01:31 AM: Message edited by: Trinity ]

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Well, all I'm going to say since all other issues have been covered,is that,

if you've had that horse since April of last year, you need to re-evaluate.

If you are feeding him appropriate amounts and he is up to date on deworming,

there may be an underlying cause to his thinness.

But something is going on, that much is obvious.

Be it lack of feed, worms or underlying medical reason,

something isn't right.

You've had the horse for a year, he should be perfect by now. [Confused]

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Here is the Bit that I dug out!

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Ok, had fun getting these..He just wanted to play with my hand .

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These are the teeth ones. I have one more that I want to show you last June. I will find them and post them!

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That bit would be appropriate, I like to start my babies in D-rings when ground driving and keep them in them until they are ready for more bit. The D rings are good because they aid you in turning, rather than an eggbutt.

You might try a D ring with copper rollers as well, copper makes them salivate...Softer...

I also think that since you only have an idea of how old he is-That he's young-maybe work him on the long lines for a couple of months, let him build himself up, teach him to turn, bend, flex, stop, back up on the ground so when he is bigger and stronger and you take everything under saddle, none of that should be a big deal.

I bet he's pretty when he sheds into his summer coat! Is he black or a dark bay in the summer?

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April 2007. He had a huge pot belly full of worms! :-( His worming is uptodate right now.

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Oh I just had to put this in!! This is 5 years ago when I first bought smokey!!!

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[ 04-15-2008, 11:49 AM: Message edited by: Flying Stars ]

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He sheds out to be a Darker Bay..Unless the sun bleaches him out! Whats the best option to keep his color. Thanks for all your replies!!! Keep them coming!! I really apprecite it!

Jacks.. You are right.. I only have an *Idea* I bought him for 400 on the spot. guy I bought him from dint have a clue. So Im a softie when it comes to animals!!

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I can't really comment on the feed without knowing the exact amount of it (in lbs)

you are feeding him a day. Along with how much (in lbs) hay a day.

You know, conformationally, he is never going to be a "bulky" horse.

But I don't think a few extra lbs would hurt him.

It may take more hay, or grain. But we would have to know the amounts

you currently feed to make suggestions.

[smiley Wavey]

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2 and ahalf pounds morning and night. As well as 4 5 flakes of hay..anymore than that he wastes it.. They are roughy at least8 to 10 lbs each.. Id say more to 8lbs..

Yes he is going to be a long lanky horse i figure!

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According to his teeth, I'd age him at around 3 years old. (He appears to have his permanent top and bottom center incisors.) He sure doesn't LOOK that old.

As for your feeding program, the math doesn't add up. You stated, "They have went through two 50lbs in 3 and a half weeks." That would be 100lbs, divided by approx. 24 days, divided by two horses. That's only two pounds of grain per horse per day if rationed equally. Not even close to the 5+ lbs per day as recommended on the feed bag (and that's to maintain, not increase weight.)

He needs more food, and more fat calories. I would gradually increase his feed and add oil. Or switch from the sweet feed to a complete feed and feed according to the directions on the bag.

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Judging from last year's photo compared to the recent one, he's LOST weight. Most horses will start to gain some as we head into spring because as the temperatures rise, they're not burning as many calories to keep warm. If he has access to pasture, I would expecte him to put on a little from that, as well. But as for the grain, you're only feeding two horses the recommended ration for one. You'd see much better results if you increased his intake.

I'm not trying to be harsh, Flying, I do admire your attitude and willingness to learn. Your horses can only benefit from that. [Huggy]

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He has lost alot during the winter. I do know that. for sure.. I will increase it even more! Smokey was an easy keeper so i dint have to do much. So what I think may be ok... may NOT be enough. I will increase it some more!!

Its ok.. I need all the help I can get..and Am willing to learn! :-) Thats why I came on here to talk to you guys! [smiley Wavey]

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The before pictures look better than the after pictures...my 34 YO gelding looks better than those after pictures.

Also, he looks way too thin to be ridden.

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Flying, I don't have anything to say except that the way you have handled the comments here is exceptional and I'm sure the mods REALLY appreciate it! You have no idea how many people ask for advice then snap back with a zillion excuses...

*sigh* anyway, your STB is reallllly cute, he's just a little thing! See if you can get some groceries on him, have someone check saddle fit...Standardbreds are usually quite horses and willing to please so he may not be able to tell you that he's in pain or needs something! I had a STB mare a few years ago and selling her was the stupidest things I ever did!!!! Keeping weight on her was a BEAR so I know what you're going through [Wink]

Here's some pics of my mare, she was about 3-4 in these pics and we were feeding her like crazy...feeding her what the vet told us to feed her and making sure we were doing what we could. And she just didn't gain weight easily!

Pencil neck...ewe neck? [Eek!]

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When we first got her

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At her best weight, summer before I sold her...

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