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I'm thinking about breeding my mare with a stallion 5 states away. I want to know all of the pros and cons of artificial insemination before I commit to anything. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! [Huggy]

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I'm thinking about breeding my mare with a stallion 5 states away. I want to know all of the pros and cons of artificial insemination before I commit to anything. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! [Huggy]

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One of the main "pros" is that you don't have to haul the mare to the stud.

Some of the "cons":

Depending on your vet, could be a LOT of $ in vet bills.

Some mares WILL NOT conceive using shipped semen.

Some stud farms only ship on certain days. Not so great if your mare needs to be "bred" on a day that they don't ship.

[ 04-29-2007, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: RacingQH ]

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One of the main "pros" is that you don't have to haul the mare to the stud.

Some of the "cons":

Depending on your vet, could be a LOT of $ in vet bills.

Some mares WILL NOT conceive using shipped semen.

Some stud farms only ship on certain days. Not so great if your mare needs to be "bred" on a day that they don't ship.

[ 04-29-2007, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: RacingQH ]

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I have never heard of a mare that will not concieve with shipped semen. I have only heard of people that don't know how to mannage mares or how to order it in a timely fashion.

On the other hand, there are many stallions with semen that will not ship.

Breeding with shipped semen is only as good as the person that manages the mare and orders it.

I just brought a mare home today from a breeding operation where they have already done 650 embryo transfers this year. They charged $450.00 to 'manage' our mare and order the semen. That was in addition to the $20.00 a day they charged for private board for her and does not cover any of the shipment fees.

BUT, they ordered semen once, the mare ovulated the next morning, they flushed an embryo 7 days later and the recipient mare is in foal.

You have to be willing to pay a good price for that kind of competence.

I have known a lot of cases were a local vet kept checking a mare, ordered semen 2 or 3 times, still had to breed her a couple of more cycles and the total bill was more than I paid and the mare wound up either open or foaling very late. And the owners were cussing shipped semen.

I have two stallions and I will not ship semen to any country vet. I will only send it to Equine Reproductive Centers and I prefer to ship to Embryo Transfer Centers. Even if I get paid for each shipment, it is so pointless to send it to someone that does not do shipped semen as a specialty.

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I have never heard of a mare that will not concieve with shipped semen. I have only heard of people that don't know how to mannage mares or how to order it in a timely fashion.

On the other hand, there are many stallions with semen that will not ship.

Breeding with shipped semen is only as good as the person that manages the mare and orders it.

I just brought a mare home today from a breeding operation where they have already done 650 embryo transfers this year. They charged $450.00 to 'manage' our mare and order the semen. That was in addition to the $20.00 a day they charged for private board for her and does not cover any of the shipment fees.

BUT, they ordered semen once, the mare ovulated the next morning, they flushed an embryo 7 days later and the recipient mare is in foal.

You have to be willing to pay a good price for that kind of competence.

I have known a lot of cases were a local vet kept checking a mare, ordered semen 2 or 3 times, still had to breed her a couple of more cycles and the total bill was more than I paid and the mare wound up either open or foaling very late. And the owners were cussing shipped semen.

I have two stallions and I will not ship semen to any country vet. I will only send it to Equine Reproductive Centers and I prefer to ship to Embryo Transfer Centers. Even if I get paid for each shipment, it is so pointless to send it to someone that does not do shipped semen as a specialty.

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Great replies, I would recommend what Cheri did. Luckily our repro vet is right down the road and my husband is building his house so we get perks. I actually took the course and tease with our stallions and breed my own. I've been lucky but I know my mares.

If however I was breeding to a high dollar stud I would take my mare to the repro center. Years ago we fooled around with vets that weren't up on AI and learned the hard way.

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Great replies, I would recommend what Cheri did. Luckily our repro vet is right down the road and my husband is building his house so we get perks. I actually took the course and tease with our stallions and breed my own. I've been lucky but I know my mares.

If however I was breeding to a high dollar stud I would take my mare to the repro center. Years ago we fooled around with vets that weren't up on AI and learned the hard way.

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Big fat dittos.....

Biggest problem is finding a veterinarian who knows what they're doing.

Because if you don't....you may find yourself out of thousands of dollars with no foal to boot.

Typically, you pay the stud fee. Then you pay an additional fee for each shipment. Usually around $250. Timing is key. So you typically ultrasound one or more times prior to ordering the shipment, then order, then AI, then ultrasound again in 17 days to see if the mare took.

Not including the pre-AI stuff like cultures, vaccines, etc....a typical AI session for me cost about $700 a try:

$40 for farm call + $35 for ultrasound to determine follicle readiness.

Repeat one day later.

Order shipment $250

Pick up shipment, get vet out. Always an emergency fee as the shipment arrived via plane and vet never did arrive til after hours. $85 farm call, $80 AI, $20 motility check, $25 to ship container back.

Wait 17 days, $40 farm call, $35 Ultrasound. Nothing.

Start over.

Repeat to the tune of $3k. No foal. Lesson: Find better reproductive specialist. Only 2 of 10 mares got caught that year with this particular veterinarian. Sigh.

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Big fat dittos.....

Biggest problem is finding a veterinarian who knows what they're doing.

Because if you don't....you may find yourself out of thousands of dollars with no foal to boot.

Typically, you pay the stud fee. Then you pay an additional fee for each shipment. Usually around $250. Timing is key. So you typically ultrasound one or more times prior to ordering the shipment, then order, then AI, then ultrasound again in 17 days to see if the mare took.

Not including the pre-AI stuff like cultures, vaccines, etc....a typical AI session for me cost about $700 a try:

$40 for farm call + $35 for ultrasound to determine follicle readiness.

Repeat one day later.

Order shipment $250

Pick up shipment, get vet out. Always an emergency fee as the shipment arrived via plane and vet never did arrive til after hours. $85 farm call, $80 AI, $20 motility check, $25 to ship container back.

Wait 17 days, $40 farm call, $35 Ultrasound. Nothing.

Start over.

Repeat to the tune of $3k. No foal. Lesson: Find better reproductive specialist. Only 2 of 10 mares got caught that year with this particular veterinarian. Sigh.

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I wouldn't breed any other way. However, I was working with a friend who was very experienced with AI (she taught me how to do it) and an excellent equine reproductive vet. The stallion's shipped cooled semen was incredibly fertile (a third of the little spermies were still active at 72 hours). We used FedEx and I think that works better than just having an airline ship it. All in all everything was working optimally - my mare was the weakest link - she was old and full of cysts, but still took on the first insemination for two foals (two separate breedings, not twins). Each foal cost under $1000 to conceive, including the stud fees. AI lets you breed to any stud that ships well, you don't have to worry abou the care your mare is getting if you keep her at home, and you don't have to worry about your mare getting injured. AI with frozen shipped semen is much more involved and has a lower success rate, so I would go with shipped cooled, not frozen semen, if at all possible.

I read equine-reproduction.com and still subscribe to the yahoo.com equine reproduction discussion group. Being thoroughly informed is, as they say in the Master Card ads, "priceless."

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I wouldn't breed any other way. However, I was working with a friend who was very experienced with AI (she taught me how to do it) and an excellent equine reproductive vet. The stallion's shipped cooled semen was incredibly fertile (a third of the little spermies were still active at 72 hours). We used FedEx and I think that works better than just having an airline ship it. All in all everything was working optimally - my mare was the weakest link - she was old and full of cysts, but still took on the first insemination for two foals (two separate breedings, not twins). Each foal cost under $1000 to conceive, including the stud fees. AI lets you breed to any stud that ships well, you don't have to worry abou the care your mare is getting if you keep her at home, and you don't have to worry about your mare getting injured. AI with frozen shipped semen is much more involved and has a lower success rate, so I would go with shipped cooled, not frozen semen, if at all possible.

I read equine-reproduction.com and still subscribe to the yahoo.com equine reproduction discussion group. Being thoroughly informed is, as they say in the Master Card ads, "priceless."

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